Jason Vale's Podcast
Jason Vale's Podcast
Getting the Juice With: Janey Lee Grace
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In this latest episode of Jason’s podcast, he talks with natural wellbeing expert, radio presenter and No.1 best selling author Janey Lee Grace.
Janey has been a co-host on BBC Radio 2’s 'Steve Wright in the Afternoon' show for 21 years. She’s passionate about all things holistic, from organic food & clothing to chemical-free cleaning & natural beauty products.
Over three years ago, she quit drinking for good and has never looked back. Now on a mission to show that 'sobriety rocks' — if you’re sober curious, or looking to clean up your lifestyle —
this is a MUST-listen.
It's the Jason Vale Podcast, everybody! everybody Thank you very My next guest, is a singer, songwriter, holistic health coach, broadcaster, keynote speaker, and number one best-selling author. She's extremely passionate about all things holistic from organic food, clothing, chemical-free cleaning, and natural birth and parenting. She's been the co-host on BBC Radio 2 - Steve Wright In The Afternoon Show for 18 years! Hush, my juicy friends, as I'm about to say grace! But what kind? Janey Lee to be precise. Yes, everybody, it's Janie Lee Grace fromSteveWright in the Afternoon! What an intro,Janey?
Janey_1:What an intro! Actually. You know what? I think it's about 21 years now.
Jason_1:Oh, is it really?
Janey_1:Howscaryis that?
Jason_1:You've been with Steve Wright in the afternoon... and actually that whole clappy thing at the beginning of all the podcasts that I do,
Janey_1:Yeah, you stole it!
Jason_1:I did! I'dlike to use the word 'model,Janey.
Janey_1:Yes, course. Course.
Jason_1:Iliketouse the word model. But I loved it. Ever since I was fortunate enough to go on Steve's show, and thank you for that, by the way, after I was knocking on his door for years, and managed to get on with Steve Wright in the afternoon show, who I've admired I mean, even from Radio One, and then all the way to Radio Two. And I had no idea 'til I went on there that, of course, you all do the old clappy thing yourself. Of course, who else is in there?
Janey_1:Of course. We ask the guests to clap along. Why would you not? Clap yourself always!
Jason_1:They they Do! Listen, there's so much to cover in a relatively short space of time. Uh, your career is just gone in so many different twists and turns, all the way from, I mean, where do we really start? I mean, I was talking about you to somebody yesterday and they say, oh that's that holistic... I said, but she's done a billion things. I said, you know, she was, the backing singer, Wham and Kim Wilde and Boy George? Their chin nearly dropped. She went, no! I said yes. So a lot of people don't know that! So before we get into the health, holistic stuff, which clearly, my podcast is mainly about health and we're going to really touch on alcohol with your incredible new book. So I really want to touch on that cause that's not only doing well, but changing so many lives, it's such an important time. So, that's where the main focus is going to be. However, I want people to know about your career. So, you was a backing singer for Wham talk us through that. Kim Wilde.
Janey_1:So, well in the very early days, I did a degree in performance arts, which was really just kind of three years of showing off, and then decided, you know, that I wanted to be a singer. And my very first job was with Marie Wilson and the Wilsations. If you remember Marie with the Behive? So that was great fun. And then, well, in fact, a friend who was a drummer told me that Wham, they'd literally just appeared with 'Young Guns' and said they were putting a band together to go on tour. So I rang up the tour manager went along for a kind of initial audition. The boys weren't there, it was just a few members of the band. But then they said, do you know what? We really want section, a vocal section. And back then, you know, there were sections like Kokomo were one, you know, kind of big time, vocal section. And it was kind of just me, and I thought, oh no, this is not going to work! So anyway, I thought, you know what? This is worth a try. So I just rang up a friend who I'd been singing with, doing session work. And then I rang up Gee Bello from Light of the World. You probably remember some of these bands. And we just said, listen, let's be a section! So let's just rehearse by phone. And then the next audition, we'll rock up as a section, give ourselves a name and rock up. So we did, and we got the gig! How cool is that?
Jason_1:That's just fantastic! I mean, they were massive. I still love Wham now, because like that, I've always been a big Boy Band fan. But I've got Kim Wilde here as well and Boy George, I don't know who else, Kim Wilde, by the way, he's my first ever concert. Weird that!
Janey_1:Oh, wow. Yeah. I mean, I didn't, work with her in the early days. I worked with her when she was doing stuff much later in the early nineties. So a lot of it was kind of gigs around Europe. She's massive in Europe. I don't know if people even realise that? France, you know? Um, yeah, huge. So, yeah, so I was doing some of those dates, later, not, the kids in America time, but much later on she's so lovely, Kim, just absolutely lovely. I had a great time doing those gigs.
Jason_1:What aboutBoy?OrGeorge?
Janey_1:George I I loved working. I loved working... You know what I mean? Underrated doesn't cover it seriously. How underrated is George? Really! Such a fantastic singer, absolutely amazing singer and songwriter. I loved working with him. I only did a bunch of gigs and some TV shows andvarious bits and bobs, but yeah, it was a great time. He calls me, he calls me Janey with the yellow hair.
Jason_1:I meanyousayhewasunderratedImean he was huge. I
Janey_1:He was! When I say underrated, I just mean, I think, you know, for a long time, his image was the kind of thing that you thought about with George. And very rarely did people say, have you actually checked some of those songs, you know, in terms of him as a songwriter? Really very special!
Jason_1:Has he come back recently?
Janey_1:Yeah. Yeah. He's doing stuff again now.
Jason_1:Weirdly, funnily enough, ChrisMoyles who, is a friend really now, his missus manages Boy George, so it's a small world.
Janey_1:Amazing.
Jason_1:And she also manages Pele. You couldn't have a more juxtapostioncould Do you know what Imean. Very, very odd thing. Listen, you told me a story... by the way, bit of history with me and Janey, by the way, just to tap in here. I've know Janie for, I mean, years now.
Janey_1:Yeah, years. I think my little girl, my little girl is 15 now and I think I came out to my first Juice Retreat when she was, oh, goodness, I don't know, about 2. So yeah, that's a lot of years. And obviously I knew of you before that because of your books.
Jason_1:13 years and which one did you come to? Is it the one in Turkey?
Janey_1:Oh, it's Turkey Yeah, it was Turkey.
Jason_1:And was up the mountain?
Janey_1:It was up the mountain. Yeah, definitely. I went there a few times. Beautiful place.
Jason_1:...first one, on the first one, was that when you did your first, talk? Not your first ever talk, I mean but you kindly offered to do a talk for all the guests there?
Janey_1:Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it was definitely early on. Yes. I think it was actually, and in fact, I know exactly what happened. It was because, you know, I very quickly got the vibe and heard, you know, the stuff you were talking about, which was just so fantastic! And saw all of these people for some of them, it was the very first time they've ever done any kind of a detox, right? And, and they were sort of, immediately out there in the sunshine, detoxing, only having the juices and the smoothies, you know, and, and yet they were still spraying all this stuff on their skin and it drove me bonkers! So that's when I said to you, listen, I need to have a word!
Jason_1:So just to shed a little light for those that don't know what you do, you're talking about spraying stuff on people's skin. That mustseemreally out of context but, I think your book was already out by then. Your number one best selling book. You've had a few, obviously we'll touch on those, but'Imperfectly Natural Woman'... really,
Janey_1:that was the first one.
Jason_1:...really set this area, if you will, this external detoxing, on fire, I would say. It was, it was the, it was the one that really put it on the map. Now that was already out Ipresume, when you kindly did that talk for our guests up the mountain. I think it was already there, wasn't it?
Janey_1:Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I mean, I sometimes joke, you know, say I was a bit ahead of my time really with that book because, you know, I was, I covered everything in that book about holistic living. And I sometimes joke that I was kind of writing about coconut oil and kale before they had their own publicists, you know, cause now of course everyone is! It was quite a new thing. A lot of the ideas in that book were quite radical, actually! Or at least at the time. But yeah, it did do really well. I think mainly because my title. I'm so grateful, but I used the word "Imperfectly Natural" rather than, you know, here's me getting everything right. Which clearly no one does! But yes, the book, essentially, is all aspects of holistic living. And I suppose if you kind of sum it up, it's around, kind of looking for the natural approach to everything and obviously that's food and sustainability, but it's also what you put on your skin. Because you know, your skin is the largest organ, and so many of us forget this. So we eat really well and we do our meditation and we do our exercise. And when then we completely forget that we're putting huge numbers of synthetic chemicals on our skin, which is super bad for us and super bad for the planet. So that was kind ofwhat got me
Jason_1:Okay.
Janey_1:retreat.
Jason_1:It'sstill very much a passion of yours today. And, um, there's no question, it's one of the rare timeless books, I would say, because you could pick that up now, as if you picked it up 16 years ago, whenever it was and it's still standing the test of time. I mean, you pick it up now all the tips that you give of, you know, where you can wash your clothes without having to have all these kinds of chemicals, detergents. I don't know if I heard it from you Janie or not, but there was somebody, it might, it must've been you! You're the only person I really know in this field, to be honest with you, how many chemicals, the average woman, I mean, it woman in particular, has in their, know...
Janey_1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's something I talk about a lot is the fact that, you know, most of us, if we go away, not that anyone does anymore, but on the days when we did, you know, you'd kindof your cosmetics bag or whatever, you'd have a whole load of stuff in there and then you get home and in your bathroom cabinet, you've got a whole load bottles. And then under your sink, you got a whole load of bottles. And then maybe you've got a little makeup bag as well. I mean, it's literally unbelievable. And when you add all of those together, that is one hell of a lot. I mean, potentially thousands of different synthetic chemicals. And this is always my thing it's that, you know, no one bottle of shampoo or shaving foam is going to be a problem. Course it isn't. It's the cumulative effect of all the thousands and thousands of different chemicals. When you think that each bottle can contain, goodness knows how many. And even if a product has got some perfume in it, or 'parfum', whatever you want to call it.'Scent' effectively. We tend to think, oh, it's got a bit of scent in it, but actually just that one bit of scent can contain up to a hundred different synthetic chemicals. So no wonder it messes with our respiratory you know problems and gives us insomnia and headaches and all the rest of it. On a low level of course,
Jason_1:No, of course,
Janey_1:up.
Jason_1:Exactly. It's like one cigarette a day never killed anybody. It's the cumulative effect. And that of course is why people think that it doesn't affect them, because on day-to-day stuff, it doesn't appear to. But of course, as you were saying, it's the accumulative effects. It's like, what you do most of the time determines your health. Absolutely. And it was a real eye opener for me as well, because I was at the retreat, like you said, we're all... for wanting a better word, before anybody starts talking about [high voice], oh, your body detoxes itself. Yeah, we know that. I've covered that in other podcasts. Right? It's It's just a word! Relax people! But people understand what that word fundamentally means. So when we're detoxing internally, essentially, when we're giving the body a chance to do what it needs to do by having fresh juices and everything else, like you said, you then see all these other chemicals, even the suntan lotions, that are, thataregoing on. Being plastered on. Some are better than others, obviously, but you know, you, you were looking at, and I never really thought about, I just think, you know, and no-one did until you did the first talk and was like, oh my God, you can even wash your clothes without chemicals, I didn't know that!
Janey_1:Yeah.
Jason_1:It's like the old wives tale stuff. like these tips, lemon juice for almost everything, when it comes to cleaning, do you know whatImean?
Janey_1:Yeah. And bicarbonate of sodadon'tforgetthat.
Jason_1:Bicarbonate of soda and lemon juice! It's almost like leaches it back in the day. You know what I mean? These two things will do just about everything! But yeah, I think people do need to look at both of those aspects, and in amongst the books that came after that, of course you did I'mperfectly Natural Baby and Toddler', which I think is even more important.
Janey_1:Mm. Yeah, definitely. That was the point at which I started looking into all of this, you know, when I was pregnant with my first child. And think that can happen for a lot of women, actually. They get pregnant and then they suddenly think, oh my goodness, I've got to not only look after myself for me, but for, you know, the baby I'm carrying. And in addition, I want to leave some of the planet behind, you know? So it can often be the time when you open your eyes to just different approaches. And of course, since I wrote that first book, things have come on massively, and as a say, I was, a bit ahead of my time. But now it's, of course it's common knowledge that we need to look at our carbon footprint and we need to do things as naturally as possible. But the market's changed. You know, the now is I think when I wrote that very first book, there were about five cosmetic companies, that I managed to research, that were a hundred percent natural. Oh my goodness, I mean, there are literally thousands now. Thousands! And there is literally a natural alternative to everything. And some of the stuff I talk about, yes, you're going to have to put your hands in your pocket and buy some stuff, but lots of it, you can just make yourself, you know, there are things you can just knock up in your kitchen. As you say, with bicarbonate soda and lemon juice, you can do quite a lot.
Jason_1:It's also a great deal of this is a bit like the food industry. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. And I'm guilty of that myself. I'll use moisturiser. I'm a man. I'm allowed to say it these days. It's fine. Um, but why do I need moisturiser? It's because put on moisturiser, right? The need for moisturizer is caused by moisturizers, right? That's been clinically proved,for the vast majority of us. It ultimately does the opposite of what you want it do. And so you, you require the need for it's a bit like chapstick, you know, it's the same thing. You can be fine with the chapstick, the minute you start to use it, it's almost addictive to a lot of people. And I think the cosmetic industry, like the food industry, know a lot of this. And so therefore they have this, they need the lifetime valueofacustomer So if they can have something that actually causes the very thing that it appears to get rid of, it's a genius trick. Low blood sugar levels is not taken away by something that spikes your blood sugar. It appears to be, cause it's a very clever trick, but you're gonna have even more of a low blood sugar, which means the need to have the quick fix is even greater, and that's where it goes into. This isn't a COVID podcast or anything like that, but we will touch a little bit on that. My view, people know my view. I don't hide my view. I'm very clear on my view. Right. And I don't understand I'm here in Spain. I'm looking outside the window now. And I'm blessed enough to be right next to a beach. There's two people, as I'm looking, as I'm talking to you right now, there is a couple that clearly know each other. They've got masks on while they're walking along the beach by themselves by the sea. Not because they're stupid, because by law, they have to. Now bear in mind this is by the sea. Vitamin D, they should be breathing in fresh air. Kids now at the time of this recording, wearing masks in school, all those hours a day, there's no proof whatsoever. Is your view that it's doing more damage to their health or what, what is your view on any of this kind ofstuff?
Janey_1:Hmm. No, I absolutely agree that, you know, there's definitely a level of, insanity and absolute scaremongering. And, you know, I, get super frustrated about the fact that, you know, all this stuff we've been talking about, the natural approach has never once been discussed. Why wouldn't we be reminding people, as you say, the importance of vitamin D and vitamin C, you know, I did an interview with a leading, doctor and, heart specialist, Dr. Thomas Levy, around vitamin C and the importance of vitamin C and just how incredible is for any kind of issue, let alone, you know, infection and COVID. The minute I put it on YouTube, I got put in the naughty chair. Right? it. got taken off straight away. I was incensed. It was just about vitamin C!
Jason_1:Not allowed. No, you were there, there is a silencing going on, this isn't a conspiracy theory. This is critical thinking theory. This isn't a conspiracy theory. It's genuinely happening all over the place. And that we can't cannot be in a world where during a health crisis, gyms are closed. Health retreats are closed, but McDonald's, Burger King and Pizza Hut are open. But anyway, that's that, but it is important that we talk about it a little bit, I suppose, because it is very real. And of course the knock on effect, you know, the 3 million cancer appointments that have been missed and people dying and suicides which brings me on to a neat segue, but it's very important is the subject of alcohol, which is where your attention is very, focused now And your timing couldn't have been better, not for you, but for those that really need it, Janey.
Janey_1:Yeah, well, I mean, certainly people have, upped the ante in terms of booze during lockdown. I mean, I, you know, I'm fortunate that I'm connected with a lot of people who managed to stop drinking during lockdown. But if you look at the reports and the mainstream media, it's really terrifying the way sales of alcohol have gone up. And, and it's not surprising, is it really, you know, people are stuck in their house.
Jason_1:Since records began, Janey, there's bigger alcohol sales at home since records began and also has been more alcoholic deaths in 2020 / 2021, in the UK than at any other time since records began. Yet there's, as we speak in our pubs are about to open in Scotland at the time of this recording and they're not allowed to sell alcohol. A pub without alcohol. ridiculous. Uh, and they've been suffering, quite a lot as well. But alcohol abuse domestic violence has gone through the roof. We know that. We know that child has gone through the roof. And all these virtues signallers, you know, often BlueTick brigade, you know, no offense, but I know a few of them. And you just think, come on, have a voice. And what they often do is they're in their massive houses. They're massive gardens. I grew up on an estate. I was 14th floor on a council estate. There's no where to get any air. And when they closed the parks and everything else. And you know, you could just have your partner just lost their job. You could have four kids running around. They don't live in that worldwhentheirmakingdecisions they're made.
Janey_1:it's heartbreaking.
Jason_1:And so what they do, they turn to, and this brings us back to the subject, which is so vital now, they turn to an alternative friend that can do something for them, or so they perceive of course. So what they do, they go, well, what else is there? I'm going to eat a load of junk. And I'm going to at least have a bottle of wine every single night, at least. And you, and I know that's probably a bottle and a half. And during lockdown, probably two. Now your book, 'Happy, Healthy, Sober', I love your 'Sobriety Rocks', by the way, a talk on Ted Talk. If you get a chance, by the way, people a TEDx that Janey Lee Grace did. And then your club itself is called the Sober Club. You've got the Sober Club, Sobriety Rocks, all of that stuff makes it so positive! It's not doom and gloom It's such a positive effect approach to stopping alcohol. Getting rid of it. Getridofitratherthangivingitup so
Janey_1:exactly.
Jason_1:Tell me the whole alcohol, you know, what made you stop? and what's your life been since you stopped?
Janey_1:Hmm. Well, you see, what's interesting is, you know, we've just been talking for ages about the, the books that I wrote , the work that I've been doing for all these years, you know, kind of 15 to 20 years of talking about holistic living and being absolutely passionate about good food and nutrition and juicing after I've met you and what you put on your skin and, and sustainable cotton. I mean, everything. Cleaning your home, without chemicals, literally queen of the holistic picture. And yet I was drinking pretty much every day. And somehow I seemed to think that was okay. I mean, I look back, I just think what the hell? But of course it wasn't my "fault" because everyone else was doing it too! And it's, know, your phrase, the only drug you have to justify not taking, right? You said that, and you're quite bloody right!
Jason_1:I want to pause on that as well. That one sentence as well. It really is. It's such an odd thing to have to do that. I observed many years ago when I stopped drinking. I do, I hold my hands up. I do drink every now and then now. And I'll come onto that in a minute. But I stopped for 14 years. And during those 14 years, I remember particularly at the beginning because I was young, relatively when I stopped, I was 29, 28, whatever it was. So I never had a drink in my entire thirties. At all, right? I think that's one of the reasons why I was successful in writing books and everything else. That's something else we get onto in a minute. But I remember going out with my friends, this, that, and the other, and they would like, why don't you drink? Why don't you drink? And it seemed to be the biggest deal on earth for them. And then I flipped it around and I would say to them, I didn't realize you're an alcohol problem. They go, well, I've haven't got a problem, you must have. I said,
Janey_1:exactly.
Jason_1:You've got a problem that I don't drink. So therefore you have my drinking problem. Do you know what I mean? I don't have a drinking problem, but you do! Right? And because you have a problem with my drinking. So thank you for inheriting my ex-drinking problem because I don't have anymore. Um, but they assume that you, you must be an alcoholic. I remember when I first wrote the book, 'Kick The Drink' and I was like, hang on, what's your definition of an alcoholic? I asked somebody who was accusing me of being an alcoholic because I stopped. And I said, what's your definition of being an alcoholic? I said, well, you know, somebody who drinks all the time, I said, well, I've just told you I don't drink at all. So that definition needs a frigging reevaluation. And then they said, no, no, no, no, but if you have a drink, you'll need another one. And I said to him, I was in the pub at the time, drinking pineapple juice. And I said, is that your fourth pint? He nearly wanted to punch me! He said, are you saying, I've got a problem? I went doesn't it seem as absurd as if we was in a heroin pub, if there was such a thing, and imagine you're injecting yourself with heroin and I'm telling you, I don't take heroin, and then you say to me, I've got a problem with heroin while you're injecting. Is that a bit weird? So anyway, so you realised that you were, you were, again, you felt. Oh, it's a big word, but do you feel a little bit hypocritical when you wasdoingit
Janey_1:Oh, my God. Well, I mean, the thing is, it was for years, I didn't even notice it was just what everyone did. I mean I'm very grateful that the title of my books was "Imperfectly Natural" otherwise I'll I, you know, I ought to have been lynched because I certainly wasn't getting everything right. But, you know, I, it was what everyone did and I simply didn't notice it. It was just the done thing. It's what everyone did. Now, of course it ramped up, which it does with everyone. And, and when my kids were young and I was massively busy and, uh, you know, I remember I was doing, I was used to work on Virgin Radio and I was doing six shows a week and then a telly show on day seven. And, and it was mad and that was my, so I thought, treat. You know, my treat time was to go and have a glass of wine. And then it builds up, and builds up and builds up 'til I was, you know, I don't know how many I was drinking, but it's not far off a bottle a night, probably something like that. But I always say to people, it isn't about how much you're drinking. Anyway. It's about that question - could my life be better physically and emotionally without it? That's the question. And I KNEW that it could, I knew that I was drinking too much. I knew, I felt like hell. I'd wake up at three o'clock pretty much every day, which is of course when the liver is trying to repair.
Jason_1:And that's why people don't know. But just to interrupt, that's why alcohol interrupts your sleep andpeopledon'trealize just, they think it's a false positive, because what they think is, oh, I can't really sleep, well let's have a few glasses of wine. And they don't realize that's the reason why they can't sleep.
Janey_1:Yes.
Jason_1:It makes you fall asleep initially, of course. But then it wakes you up at three the morning,anyway,goon
Janey_1:It's not qu..., it's not quality sleep at all and I'd be there and I'd, wake up 3:00 AM anda voice would clearly say to me, what the hell are you doing? This is totally not okay with who you are. You're meant to be this queen of natural living for God's sake! Just quit with the drinking! You know, it was loud and clear. You know, it's just something I have to stop. It's not that hard, for God's sake. Just stop. And then, yeah, just stop, why don't you, girl. You know?
And by 6:00 PM the next night, you know, the Wine Witch came and said, oh, sweetie, you've had such a stressfulday. You know, look at yourself, you need a break and you need to chill girl, you know. Here's your sauvignon blanc and I'd be off on a roll again. But the thing is, and this is piece that I, I am so passionate about getting across. In the UK, particularly, we think there are two types of drinkers. There are those who are at absolute rock bottom and need alcohol services and they're clinically dependent. And by the way, that's a very small number. And then we think there's everyone else happy social drinkers, who just every now and then can't hold their beer. Now I was at neither end of that spectrum. I was definitely not okay with it, but I wasn't at rock bottom. So what would happen to me was I'd go to a GP about, I dunno, something minor, a vitamin D test or something. Or I'd go to a practitioner ora therapist. And if I felt comfortable, I might, and this went on for years, I might bravely say, actually, you know, there is just one other thing. Can I just kind of share with you but, I'm a bit worried about my drinking. That took a lot for me to say that. And on every single goddamn occasion they would look at me and they'd go, well, you know, you seem fine. Tell you what, just have an alcohol free day, yeah? Oh my God, if I had a pound for every time someone said that! No, I don't have a frigging off-switch. I can't have an alcohol-free day. So I'd walk away and I'll be back on the treadmill. And what I now know is that it's not rock bottom or okay. There's a whole spectrum. We call them grey-area drinkers. People who CAN stop, but they DON'T stop. They don't know how to stop. They don't know how to stay stopped and they're bloody miserable. And most of them want to quit the booze because they're drinking too much. But when the messages keep on coming... well, I mean why did the doctor say to me, oh, really? You think you're drinking too much? Girl, I've got the best suggestion for you. Quit the booze! You're going to feel amazing. It's the best anti-aging secret ever. I've the best solution for you. This is going to be fabulous! No, they just go, oh dear. You know, as it as if I'd said, I've got a problem eating fruit. Really? Well, how can we make it easier for you? But, you know, the perception is, well, you can't possibly be thinking about not drinking again? So let's see if we can make it fit your life. No! Let's not let it fit your life! what kept me stuck for years.
Jason_1:Well it's bound to. Because the people that you... most doctors, the vast, vast, vast majority, as in the vast, vast, vast majority of humans, in general, in the western world, drink alcohol! So so therefore going to somebody ...it's like, going to a doctor who smokes back in the day. Used to happen. Saying you know, oh, I think I'm coughing a bit much. Oh, you need to change your brand to Camel. They would say that Camel's healthier. So you're saying you're drinking, you know, whatever it is. And they go, oh, what you need to do is just cutdownondrink
Janey_1:Yeah, exactly have glass of water in between!
Jason_1:So you stopped for how long at the moment notthatitmatters
Janey_1:uh, just over, just over three years now. Three at three years and for four months. Yeah.
Jason_1:Time is always a funny one because I've written in my books for so many years. The length of time is such an arbitrary thing. So I always use the Nelson Mandela analogy. Nelson Mandela was locked up for 27 years in an environment that he didn't want to be in. And he just wanted freedom. On the day that he got set free, I remember watching on Sky News. Sky was actually new at the time, as well. Not one person went up to him and said, what are you doing? And, and, and had he gone, what do you mean, what am I doing doing? Well, you look really happy? Of course I'm happy!But why are you happy? I've just been set free! Well, hang on, how long you have you been free for? Well, about 10 minutes. Well, I wouldn't celebrate yet Nelson! I mean, it's a ridiculous concept and we have this thing with drugs of any kind, alcohol, it is that we ,need a length of time to see if we're free or not. Now what are you going to do? Wait for the rest of your entire life, because no, one's going to fax you, once you're dead, to say, by the way, you did kick it. Um, you know, you need to acknowledge it immediately. But the reason why most people don't acknowledge it immediately is because they're using... well they're they using what I describe as the 'willpower methodology', as opposed to'freedom mentality', which is what you tap into in your book.
Janey_1:Exactly! Exactly. The willpower, as you know, doesn't work, The first few weeks can be a bit tough any behavior change is tough. You know, you've got to form your new neural pathways. You've absolutely got to eat well, because otherwise, you know, the brain chemistry is all over the shop. Andyourpoor little body's going, oh my goodness, where's my dopamine? And you know, what am I going to do? So yeah, there's lot of stuff needs to putting in place. But if you focus entirely on what you're gaining, not what you're giving up, then you can start to change that mentality. And you're absolutely right. Yes, there'll be some tough times, but you know, that's life. I mean, I'm always amazed when clients will say to me, You know, I've ditched the booze, I don't know, two months ago, but you know, I'm not feeling great. I'm really down and you know, or I've got a headache and I just feel everything's miserable. You know, what, what, what's wrong with me? TheanswerisWell, when you were drinking, did you never have a crap day? Come on. You know Our expectations are that we can drink year on year on year, 30 years or something. And that it's all going to be sorted within five days. It's not quite that quick. However, you know, if you do focus on what you're gaining, not what you're giving up, literally everything changes. There isn't anything that stopping drinking doesn't improve. That's a bit of a double negative, but you know where I'm coming from?
Jason_1:listening. Now they begin. Right. I need to lift myselfoutoflockdown There's gonna be a lot of lift yourself out of lockdown plans, essentially, but none more important, I feel, at any given time, than, the alcohol element, whichisdestroyingso many lives right now. So they're going to want to go, all right. Janey, I'm on board with you, right? Give me the positives. I want
Janey_1:Okay. All right. Well, well number one, just, before we get into the positives, number one, I think it's super important to have both sides of the piece. So I've got this phrase, you know, emotions, not logic will inspire action. So in other words, you need to feel motivated and I'm going to give that motivation in a moment, but just before I do, I do believe you do need a little bit of that logic. So you do need to read, 'Kick the Drinking, Silly' or William Porter's Alcohol Explained. Cause you do just need to graspthispiece this piece
Jason_1:You forgot the book, the main book,
Janey_1:Yeah, exactly. And of course my book,
Jason_1:But in all fairness, though, it's much more up to date. I wrote my 20 odd years ago.
Janey_1:Yeah, no, it's true. Yeah, no, I do. I cover it. I cover that the logic piece in my book as well, but the point I'm trying to make is we all need to just get real clarity on exactly what alcohol is. Because we genuinely don't have it. I was a pretty bright person doing all of this stuff I was doing. And yet I didn't really realise that alcohol is a depressant, that it's totally addictive. You know, I just, I just hadn't quite grasped that. Right. I still believed all those nonsense articles. that Alcohol is good for you. Absolute rubbish. That a glass of red wine is good for the heart. For God's sake, no, just have a grape! Right? So I think it's important to get a little bit of, a bit of a sense of that. So, you know why. You need to know the'why' you're doing this. And then the next piece is to grab hold of the inspiration. And this is where you're just going to have to trust me when I tell you that, you know, life without booze is freaking fantastic. And every single bit of your life, EVERYTHING will change. Everything will change for the better. If you focus on what you're gaining.
Jason_1:So you're talking about piechart of life. So your relationships?
Janey_1:Absolutely. Oh my goodness. I mean, anyone who's got any kind of important relat... well, who, who hasn't, you know, I mean,
Jason_1:Yeah.
Janey_1:if you have a, partner, if you have friends, if you have
Jason_1:work, relationships,
Janey_1:you you become present, you become present. That's the difference. And you become a much kinder, nicer person. I'll tell you what, if everyone was sober, the world will be a very different place. I swear to God.
Jason_1:A&E be a different place, wouldn't it?
Janey_1:Well, oh God, well, that's been interesting, hasn't it over COVID. Um, but yeah, because people are just kinder. Because when you ditch the booze, you, you have to become authentic. You have to look at yourself. Right. And that doesn't necessarily mean that everything's beautiful. I mean, one thing that's quite interesting is I find with some clients, they'll say to me, you know, 'I've been sober a few months' and one woman said' I was driving my car, and suddenly I was blindsided by how badly I'd behaved in a relationship! I felt so guilty. It was just, you know, how can I repair the damage I've done?'. Right? And the answer is, of course, we've all done things, we're ashamed of, and we wish didn't happen. But far better now to face it and move on. Apologize. If you need to, whatever it is, people have to deal with different things in different ways. But at least from now on you're starting from a place of authenticity. It really comes down to starting to like yourself more. Right? And I mean, the other part of this it's quite amusing is that while I've, all these years, been writing about holistic living, you know, as a Hay House author. And I, I also presented on Hay House Radio. So I've interviewed all the gurus. Everyone. There isn't anything about self-love and meditation that I didn't know. But was I doing it for myself?'Course I wasn't! Don't be ridiculous. There's no way I could sit in meditation because I didn't like myself very much, right? So that changes when you stop drinking. The scales come off, you get to know who you really are.
Jason_1:Yeah. And you also find other passions, presumably? I mean, I'm saying know because I stopped 14 years, but just talking to the converted, but you find other passions and you, and you, like you said, you become present. Presumably. One of the benefits I found is mornings. I mean, the point is, is that not only did I have my mornings back, fully, as I had my day back, but I also had seven days a weekback.
Janey_1:I know, I know, and this is what's so beautiful because people start to realise, oh, hold on. I'm feeling better. I've got more time. I'm starting to get a little tingle of excitement as to what I can do with my life. So in the Sober Club, you know, we've got people who have gone back to uni or to do an MA. Or one woman started a charity. Lots of people change their work, or they start new businesses. I mean, just super excitingstuffhappens
Jason_1:you found your work's improved Jane?
Janey_1:Oh, God yeah, oh massively, I'm so much more productive. And you know, I mean? I always had a lot of energy, but I've got hell of a lot more now. And also, you know, I think you bring a different, kind of, just a different presence to the work that you're doing. In terms of creativity it's absolutely amazing. Oh my God, you should see some of the work people are turning out once they've stopped drinking. And that's an interesting one. Cause of course, a lot of musos and, you know, we started off talking about music industry and there's a lot of sort of musicians and artists who get fearful that if they ditch the booze, they won't be creative again. But actually the opposite is true!
Jason_1:Oh God, yeah, because they often put it down to a change your mind state, that's when they come up with their best work. But actually that is not true. And also on the back of alcohol, depending on how much you've had and various ..., but it's always there to some extent, not only is there a little bit of a foggy cloud or an absolute storm going on every day, but I find that it creates CBA syndrome. I don't know if you've ever,
Janey_1:definitely.
Jason_1:And if you don't know what CBA syndrome is, people listening, we've all suffered from it. But I think those in lockdown would have done more than anything else on alcohol. Which is Can't Be Arsed. Can'tBeArsedSyndrome. And it's one of those you miss appointments. You just think I can't be bothered to do that. And, but also it's the things you often DO. When you've had too much drink, that you would never have done, ever?
Janey_1:No. I mean, what's, what's quite interesting as people often find that, you literally step into a new identity when you properly stop drinking. And some people find they're actually quite different people to the ones they thought they were, you know, they aren't actually necessarily the life and soul of the party. They're actually quite introverted and, and they, they start to learn how to care about themselves.
Jason_1:Do you know what I found? I found, unfortunately, one of disconcerting things when I stopped drinking was I found that the opposite was true for me personally. I was actually hoping if there's any advantage to drinking is that you can blame some of your behavior on it. And so I would go. with everybody. I would pretend to drink, weirdly, because it was just easier than having the conversation all that time ago, because it was many years ago now, so I would have a champagne glass and put sparking water in it. It was just easier at the time. So people would then think that I had a drink or whatever, and the ones that knew that I wasn't drinking was convinced the next day that, I had been, because of some of the things that I would say and do. and I'd still wake up and go, I can't blame it now on anything. My stupidity, Ican'tblameon anything. I am that ridiculous person. You know, people don't realize alcohol costs them, the average drinker, over a hundred thousand pounds! Average drinker, this is average, this isn't what somebody deemed as an alcoholic. Average drinker will spend around a hundred thousand pounds in their lifetime on alcohol. I think you said it had gone up since there's about 140,000 now. and then here's another stat for you. 25,000 drinkers, probably young going out and everything else, but they will lose something in the region of 2,500, through the back of sofas and stuff like that,
Janey_1:Yeah. Yeah.
Jason_1:go up. And how much junk food do you eat? The knock-on effect to your mental and physical health is extraordinary.
Janey_1:Yeah, it really is. That link between anxiety and mental health and alcohol, it still amazes me that there's not been more work done around that because the link is huge. You know, there's no doubt about it. And yet people don't look at it. I've got so many Sober Club members who will rock up to a GP and they'll say, I'm feeling super anxious. I'm really concerned about my anxiety and they just walk away with antidepressants. They never asked about their drinking.
Jason_1:Ialways said it in the book all those years ago and I've just remembered it now, actually. That two of my friends still have it when we're out. When we look at people that are drinking. And go, what stage are they on? Right. So we call it the Three Stages of Alcohol. Well, I do. And I've, I've trained my friends. And so three stages. So Stage One is what you would call squishy. Right? So Stage One is what most people are attracted to, if they are attracted to anything about alcohol. It's that one glass of wine, that kind of squiffy feeling, where they go a little bit more loving. Right? So they go, I love you! Right? Stage Two is really starting to get annoying. Right? So Stage Two is where they've told you that story 10 minutes ago, but carrying on. But now they're louder and now they still love you, but they go, I love you, you bastard!
Janey_1:Yeah.
Jason_1:So very loud and annoying. And then Stage Three is the dodgy one that is just with their fist, clenched, and simply saying, you bastard! And so now they've gone from, 'I love you' - 'I love you, you bastard' - to just, 'you bastard'. And these are the three stages of alcohol and it's a great game to play if you're ever out. And you look, you go, oh Stage Two ! Ooh stage Two to Three. They're on Stage Three it's time to go! And I think people listening now will just want some genuine help. And I don'tmean AA help. I'm not knocking AA, neither do you. And it's helped millions of people around the world, but there is an alternative to And there is an alternative of what we call the freedom technique. The problem with any drug addiction at all, is that one part of your brain wants to stop but the other part wants to continue. That is, unfortunately, the schizophrenia of all drug addicts. That is the problem, which is what you talked about, where you go, that's it never, again, six o'clock I'm going to do it right. And so it doesn't matter what you feel you really want to or not. But I would say, my advice would be, and I think you'll probably be the same, is that if you feel it's got too much, you want to change your relationship, so the relationships got a bit abusive, for whatever reason, and you want to change the relationship, then read'Happy, Healthy, Sober'. Just have a read. Go and look at the TEDx 'Sobriety Rocks'. You know, go and join the sober Club. Realise that this isn't some doom and gloom club. It's a fricking great club.
Janey_1:So much of what I talk about is focused the what's next. So, you know, whole days can go by in our Sober Club community, and we're talking about great recipes or, you know, fantastic kombucha as we've found, or, you know, sometimes fitness thing that people are doing. All kinds of things, creativity, and it's all underpinned by the sobriety, but we're focusing on all the great stuff. And I think that's the key is if people can just get bit excited about what might be to come, if you'd told me four years ago, that I would be the kind of person that wasn't terrified of getting older, because as a woman, it's bloody scary getting older! Four years ago, I was terrified, I just thought, oh my God, everything about, this is not okay. I don't want to look old. I don't want to not have energy. I don't want any of it. I don't feel like that now. So if you can kind of catch sight of just how exciting your life will be and better in every way. Then it's almost like I'm dangling that carrot at the end of the stick and saying, listen, come this way, keep focusing on this because this is where the freedom lies. You won't be able to see it when you're on day one, right. It feels impossible. But if you keep pushing through and keep, being inspired. It really is that thing of keep focusing on what you're gaining. That's how to get through this. I mean, my books got so much other stuff in it. It's not, you know, there's a whole section on how to ditch the booze, but then there's a massive section on all these other aspects of health and wellbeing, you know, including how to, use NLP techniques and meditation and mindset, fitness and creativity, and just everything.
Jason_1:AndyoutrainedinEFTaswell.
Janey_1:Hmm. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, I use it a lot with clients cause you know, really helps just like sometimes very simple exercises, help people just get rid of limiting beliefs. And as we all know, it's all that limiting belief stuff. When people walk around saying, well I can't do that. I'm an anxious person. Well, is that true? Or is that just a limiting belief? Can we knock that out of yourbig wall of, of beliefs that were handed to you when you're a kid. Wouldn't
Jason_1:Wouldn't it be good if we had the money, right? Wouldn't it be cool to have a Sober Island? But then I thought, Sober Island's a bit thin... so I thought, what about'Freedom Island' and you've just got this island and this Freedom Island. People come, those that aren't free yet, they come to get free. And you just got this whole island of living, people just producing stuff, having a great time, having sober nightclubs. Havingthishtatandtheother.Andyoujustgo There's something in that. Unfortunately I'm not a multi-millionaire. So wecan't.I'msuresomebodylisteningmight, the money, come on, FreedomIsland,right?
Janey_1:It really is about freedom though. I mean, I love that expression. You know, you used about that freedom mentality. That's exactly what it is. And, you know, in the Sober Clubs, sometimes we talk about really little things like, a few months ago and it was snowing the UK and one woman said that, you know, she'd only been sober for a week or something. And, her little boy came running in at six o'clock on a Sunday morning, mum, mum, mum, there's snow outside. And she'd literally sort of pulled her boots on over her pajamas and went out and made snow angels. Right. But literally two weeks before that she have just put the covers over her head and said, well, off you go!
Jason_1:I honestly, well, if you'd read my book you know, I, I grew up with that family of drinking. I mean, heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy drinkers, as, as most people were. My Nan for my 16th birthday, gave me a hip flask full ofwhisky what they did. She wasn't a horrible person, that's what they did. And she would, you know, every Sunday at lunch, even from 14 onwards... I mean, I remember waking up in The Lodge in Hamble, which she owned this place called The Lodge and a restaurant called Bon Appetit back in the day. But anyway, and I remember staying there and I must have been 15. I woke up one Sunday morning in there and she went, ooh, you alright? You alright, lad? She was a Yorkshire lass. And she went, you alright, lad, I went, you know, and she goes, would you like a Scottie? And I was like, what are you talking about? Scottie? A Scottie is scotch. No, I wouldn't! I'm 15 and it's Sunday morning. Ireallydon'twantaScottie.
Janey_1:Yeah,
Jason_1:Um, wellit's funny cause we all joke about alcohol. So I've got chapter in the book as well that talks about ha ha ha. You know, like, and you go, oh gee, guess what happened to us three years ago? And it's always these stories surrounding alcohol. Seem funny on the surface
Janey_1:yeah, they'resonot,arethey?
Jason_1:and. then I dissect them in the book. Cause then we follow it through. The person that got so drunk that he fell asleep in a cowpat in the field. And we followed that story through the fact that, ah, that was his fifth time of being late into work and now he's been fired. And then he loses his house and you follow the story from the jokey, it wasn't that funny? Think about this. This is a hilarious story, but you follow it through and it wasn't in the end. imagine if you're having a bad day, 18 year old boy, imagine this, 18 year old boy drank SO much that he forgot where he was. As you do, you just forget where you are and everything else?
He woke up at 3:00 AM, halfway through peeing on his parents.
Janey_1:Hmm. Nice.
Jason_1:me, you're not coming back from that. Now. That is a funny story. Right. But he ended up the reason why I wrote that in the book is because I knew the story and I knew the people involved, and he ran away from home. And then the police had to be called, they didn't know where he went. And then they was worried. And then he was disowned by his father. And it went on, and it was like, the story itself is hilarious. Because it is, we've all got a dark... I've got a really dark sense of humour. I think it's hilarious. I think that's a bad day, fella! But then you look at it and you go, well, what's the knock-on effect that potentially has gone on there. People have lost their jobs through alcohol, lost relationships around alcohol, that people have lost their children through alcohol. You know, it really is one of the single most abusive substances on planet
Janey_1:Okay. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And, and so completely unnecessary, Which is why it really frustrates me, you know, as they say that when people present with any kind of "issue", the first response is always, oh how can we make it so that you don't have to drink so much or so that you have a little break as well?
Jason_1:Yeah.
Janey_1:almost never, you know, talk about this amazing positive benefits of just not having any.
Jason_1:Or also like the one where they go, well, I'm going to give up alc... There's a book out years ago called 'How to Give Up Alcohol for a Month'. I wrote about it in my book. Um, and the whole idea of the book was to stop drinking for a month to prove that you don't have an alcohol problem. My take on that at the time was, well I'll tell you what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna write a book called 'How to Stop Eating Bananas for a Month'. Now, if anybody reading a book called 'How to Stop Eating Bananas for a Month', because they didn't know how to do it themselves. it would prove to me, not that they problem
Janey_1:Butthattheydid
Jason_1:a banana problem. I people that we've got to acknowledge, I suppose, at the end, there are, there are genuine... and this is where I differ from 20 years ago, when I first wrote the book. I thought it was very clear cut, you've already alluded there are grey areas in between, but there are some people who genuinely, you know, have a glass of wine with a meal, on a Saturday night and they don't have another glass of wine for another week and this, that, and the other,
Janey_1:That'sright,theyhaveanoffswitch.
Jason_1:But they are rare, though. And that's the difference. I think this is the point is that we all think that they are the majority, but they're
Janey_1:Hmm. No, I think, well, I think it's very interesting. I think that, that, you know, say there's a spectrum of grey area drinkers and there are some people who genuinely DO have an off switch. They can, I mean, I know because my husband was one of them, so, you know, and it used to drive me bonkers because of course he would be constantly saying to me, well, why don't youjusthaveone? I wanted to kill him, when he said that! What are you talking about? Just have one. Don't be ridiculous. It's because he genuinely could have one and then literally not think about it if there wasn't alcohol in the house for three months, right? And then he could potentially go to a party and have a bit too much and not think about it for a year, if there wasn't any around. It was not a thing for him. Just like, you know, as you say, bananas or Kiwi fruits aren't I think for me, I might have one I might not have one for the next year, right? But it's not a thing. However, this is the really important bit. When something crops up in your life, you know, when, when something hits the fan, if you've been "using alcohol"
Jason_1:Yeah.
Janey_1:...for the really important stuff, I mean, I remember towards the end of when he was drinking. So interestingly, even my husband kind of saw the benefits and just sort of went, well, why, why am I bothering even to have one a year? What the hell is the point? But I saw it because obviously once I'd stopped, I noticed all this stuff. And I noticed that there would be an occasion where he'd had a really stressful day and he'd go, God, I need a drink. Right? And, oh, that's interesting. Right. So I'd watch him and he'd go and pour himself a drink. Now, then perhaps there might be a celebration and he'd go, oh, let's have champagne. Okay. Now here's the interesting thing. If you make those associations in your brain, that alcohol is what you do when you are sad or angry or fearful or stressed, and what you do when you're celebrating, At some point, it will ramp up at some point because everyone will have a time that when some kind of crisis hits and then your coping mechanism is alcohol. And then even if you were a one-drink-a-month person, it can start to creep in every day.
Jason_1:And people do that with food. Same thing. They do it with cigarettes, they do it with all kinds of things. It says, I, I always say, if you want to really know if you're hooked on something or not, doesn't matter what it is, alcohol or anything else, just ask yourself this question, if the thought of never doing'it' again, whatever it is. Yeah. Fills you with absolute fear, not a tiny bit of apprehension. I'm talking to absolute fear that you fear you cannot enjoy your life, or cope with life the same way again, without what you perceive to be your friend crutch or pleasure, then you're hooked. If it doesn't, you're not, that's it. You know, thought of get rid of bananas doesn't panic me. So do you know what I mean? The thought of getting rid of coffee, for most people panics them. Now it's not as bad as alcohol or anything else, but is it a level of addiction for want of a better word that is okay? You know, I get it. I might be addicted to coffee, but actually it's two a day. Would I hate to be without? Yes. Am I fearful it to be without? Yes, but actually is it bad? No. Okay, fine. But you got to ask yourself those questions, I think. You know, for 14 years I didn't drink. And it's an interesting thing. I'd never have said this 20 still think the book, 'Kick the Drink' stands the test of time. Changing your relationship with alcohol. There's no question. 14 years later. And it's like, meeting an old flame. Right. That's what it was like, it's like meeting an old flame that you thought you were still in love although I never thought I was still in love with them, and then you see them again, like you were, you were really in love with them, right? And then you, you break up and then 14 years later, you go and have a coffee with them and you go, what did I
Janey_1:everseeinyou?
Jason_1:you?
Janey_1:what'd I seeinyou Imean I
Jason_1:thing.
Janey_1:zero benefits. Let's not sugarcoatit
Jason_1:that Yeah.
Janey_1:is it super bad for you,
Jason_1:I know.
Janey_1:itliterallyhaszerobenefits,it'sjustshite!
Jason_1:I know it's one of those things
Janey_1:You know, I sometimes say to clients, you know, if you're "craving" that glass of champagne, because you're going to meet with a friend or whatever, it isn't the alcohol you want.
Jason_1:No, it's a company.
Janey_1:associations, isn't it? If you had a really nasty, warm, sweet, disgusting, glass of wine or champagne in a cracked paper cup that ain't quite the same!
Jason_1:No, no, And I said that my in the book, I do say that. I said, it's really weird. It was about six months after I stopped drinking. I wasn't feeling deprived. I was having dinner with my girlfriend at the time, in our favorite Italian restaurant, I asked, we always had a bottle of wine, but I was drinking anymore. She was. Didn't make any difference to me. I didn't feel deprived. I asked for a water and he put it in a tumbler and it was warm and I felt deprived. And I didn't know why. And I said to, my girlfriend at the time, and I asked the waiter, I said, look, do you mind? Can you put this in a, glass and cold water? I want to see that frost come up. I wanted a wine glass. I went, hang on Why are they called wine glasses? It's just a
Janey_1:ExactlyReally frustrates me.
Jason_1:It's just a glass, but it's a nice glass. It feels great. I
Janey_1:Yeah,
Jason_1:stuff in a wine glass!
Janey_1:yeah,
Jason_1:And all of a sudden it changes everything.
Janey_1:No. Well, that's, that's my kind of mantra that, you know, I, I say in the book is keep the ritual, but change the ingredients. So if you like having a drink with friends on a summer's evening, have a drink with friends,
Jason_1:Yeah.
Janey_1:a lovely glass, but choose to have something alcohol free in it. And definitely don't have a, a crappy tumbler, you know, with some Coke or some orange juice because you know, you're not 12.
Jason_1:Okay. I'll give you my best line after your final best line to back off to people. So when somebody says to somebody, why aren't you drinking? They start attacking you a little bit, but a, in a jovial way. Right? So then I'll come on. What's wrong with you? What would be your go-to? What do you say to them?
Janey_1:Oh You didn't even give me time to prepthatI'msure you've got one beautifully lined up.
Jason_1:I had known for years that I've just I always used it. I always used it. Mine was I just, oh no, no, I'm fine. I just never drink when I'm sober. Other than that,
Janey_1:I like that. That's great!
Jason_1:What happens is their brain fries, Janey.
Janey_1:That's
Jason_1:Usually I would. But when I'm sober I don't. So at the moment we're Their brain doesn't know what to do. Their going, what did he say? Is that a thing? I IDon't understand. I used to say, cause I was aggressive where they go, how come you don't drink? How come you don't take heroin?
Janey_1:Yeah, well, I mean the thing, I mean, on a serious note, I think there's a lot of people who coming out of lockdown and they're really worried about coming out of that sort of almost protective bubble. If they've stopped drinking and they're now going to be, you know, getting out into, into clubs or not clubs, but you know, social situations, and it can be a problem. So, you know, on a serious note, I genuinely do recommend that people do prep ahead and give, give a heads up, you know, send a text to friends or whoever you're going to be meeting. Cause if you don't, you rock up to the bar and before you know it, your usual drink has been put in your hand. And then if you start saying, oh, well actually, you know, um, actually, you know what, I'm not... before you know it, they're 'Oh just have one!', and you're into it. So actually do give people a heads up. You can say whatever you want, if you want to lie, that's fine. If you want to tell the truth, if you just want to say, you know, something, I feel absolutely fantastic without it. Well, whatever it is, but do give a heads up and prep how you'll get home early, because you will not have such a high boredom threshold! As you say, when people start repeating themselves,
Jason_1:Yeah.
Janey_1:boring real quick.
Jason_1:That is...do you know what? I've loved this podcast. We normally touch on health and everything else, we've never really touched on the importance of alcohol and in relation to coming out of lockdown. And what I love about the approach, Janey, is it's not heavy. It's the opposite. There's some brilliant advice across the spectrum. No matter what or how much you drink, how much you want to change. A 'Happy, Healthy, Sober' - that's what you're looking for, guys. You're looking for that and, if you wanna see Janey first, didn't know much about Janey, then, check out the TEDx, before you go any further on that. Equally, drinking is not an issue to you and you're thinking, wow, I've never really thought about what I put on my skin or anything else, those books stand the test of time.' Imperfectly Natural Woman'. Listen to her on Steve Right in the Afternoon. So much, I can just go on,
Janey_1:[laughs].
Jason_1:Watch out when she's doing a talk next, and of course she was relatively prolific she stopped drinking. Now there's no stopping her! It's Janey Grace! Thank much coming on It's Janey Lee come