Getting The Juice With: Olly Murs

In this latest episode of Jason’s podcast, he catches up with cheeky singer, songwriter and TV presenter Olly Murs. Jason had the good fortune of meeting Olly and his lovely girlfriend Amelia Tank when they holidayed at one of his Juice Master retreats and Jason describes him as being “an unbelievably kind and all-round good egg” As well as the regular health and fitness chatter, they also talk about Olly’s career, what makes him tick, his hilarious Instagram videos, how he’s coped with Lockdown and his shameful two-time disaster on Deal Or No Deal :) 

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Transcript

Jason Vale: [00:00:00] It's the Jason Vale Podcast, everybody! Come on!

Olly Murs: [00:00:01] Wow.

Jason Vale: [00:00:02] Here we go! Wherever you are in the world, I'd like to say a massive thank you once again for listening. Think about it now, the millions of podcasts to choose from. So it's a genuine honour to have your company, once again. I say, once again, you might be tuning in for the first time. If you like the positive and inspirational vibe that we bring, don't forget, you can catch up with any of the episodes, anytime with Apple or Spotify. I've had the good fortune to talk health, fitness, and how to keep, and more importantly, how to preserve a positive mindset, with some truly inspirational people over my podcast series.

These include people like Paul McKenna, Katie Piper, Lorraine Kelly, Chris Moyles, Beverly Knight, Tommy Mallet, it goes on and on and on. So if you're looking for something that is religion and politics free, and is designed primarily to educate, lift, and inspire, then you've come to the right place. Now talking to people who can most certainly lift and inspire you, my guest today is one of the most down to earth and genuine people I know. He's a singer, he's a songwriter. He's a coach, television presenter, model, voice actor, Instagram King, and a pretty mean footballer to boot. He's also a triple-platinum album seller. A TRIPLE platinum album seller. And although he has been singing all his life, it's only in the last few years that he's really found The Voice - a bit of a clue there. That's right! He's the man with the X factor undisputed. Yes, I can, of course only be talking about the second, most famous Mur since gold and frankincense, it is of course, it's Olly Murs , everybody! Everybody It's Olly Murs. Hello, Olly! 

Olly Murs: [00:01:32] Do you know what? It is great to talk to you, Jason, but the fact that you called me a model, I mean, that is, I'll take that. I'll take that!

Jason Vale: [00:01:39] Listen. I so appreciate you being on. I thought I've got a big you up from the start. No, do you know what I mean? I just thought otherwise it could all go a little bit wrong. Because I know I called you the Instagram King, which I'll come onto hopefully in this, because you genuinely really are. I mean, it's unbelievable.

I follow your Instagram. I think it's absolutely fantastic. The morning of recording this, just to give people perspective on, some point when they're listening to this. Because they might be listening to when it first comes out or later on, we're recording this, I happen to be in Spain, while I'm recording this. Olly, of course, back in the UK, we're both on lockdown. It's during the lockdown series. So Olly's been, obviously locked down, like most people  and obviously on Instagram. But this morning on his Instagram, and I knew we had a podcast to record, and I saw your post, Olly, saying today, I don't feel like doing anything, I just want to stay in bed!

Olly Murs: [00:02:25] Oh, I'm very glad that you say that about my Instagram, because you know, I find social media really difficult at times. I don't know ...just what to say or not to say, or, you know, cause you get judged so quickly on it. So I just try and, make sure that it's as positive and as fun, as possible for people that might be having a bad day, that, you know, when they click on MY social media page, that there's some laughter or something fun for them to see.

Because you know, we're all having our difficult moments and you know, I've had many difficult moments myself. So, I have people that I follow for inspiration and positivity and weirdly enough over the last year, you've been one of them people actually, Jason, that I followed and enjoy your positivity.

And I think it's nice that, you know, there's a good balance on Social Media. So I just try and be one of them people. So it's nice when people, like yourself, say that about me. 

Jason Vale: [00:03:14] Honestly, and I know so many people that have genuinely been actually new to your Instagram as well during lockdown and based on the fact that not only is it incredibly well put together. I remember when you came on the retreat and I remember you being in the car on the way back after being on the retreat.

And one of the things that I remember, no, no, that wasn't really sarcastic. I mean, you recorded a video while on the transfer that I would take three weeks to try and edit and put together. And it was brilliant! And your videos have just got better and better and better.

Olly Murs: [00:03:42] I remember you saying that, I want you to come to Juice Retreat. I don't want you to be doing any social media. You're here to enjoy the experience and you're here to just, you know, relax and juice and just enjoy the surroundings.

And I was like, yeah, cool. I really appreciate it. that you don't want to use me for that, which is fine, but I'll be honest with you, Jason. I genuinely, I do a lot of different things for people and I thought it was very refreshing that you said that, but also at the end of it, I just felt like I have to show my fans, I have to show, my family and friends, I have to show everyone how amazing this place is . And that is not me reading this off a script, by the way, for anyone that's listening. Genuinely, I did that video and I put time and effort in, again, like I do on every Instagram post that I do, or anything that I edit, is just to show people how amazing things are in the world.

There's some amazing places to go. And that retreat really helped me this year. Like I can't tell you how amazing it was. And I'm sure you hear this all the time and I don't want to give you a big enough head, because it's huge as it is! But, genuinely, it was one of the best experiences of my life. Just to tell people the story, so, we'd obviously got to the Juice retreat, me and Amelia. Jason was amazing and he greeted me when I arrived and took us to our room and, you know, really sort of,  not sold the dream, but told us what it was all about and how it was going to work.

And, you know, when you first get there, my first thought was like, how am I actually going to spend seven days in this retreat? One, it looks amazing. How am I going to go seven days without eating anything? You know? And that's a really interesting thing that I spoke to a lot of my friends about. And, that's the first thing they asked me. I'm sure they asked you and lots of other people about the same thing. “Oh my God! You couldn't eat for seven days!” Yeah. I mean, it really wasn't that hard. At first I questioned myself. Could I do it? You know what? My manager and my friends and everyone that knows me that when I came back from the trip, obviously, you know, my results were amazing, but it wasn't that hard.

And actually the retreat itself made it very, very easy. It's harder at home. It's harder... It was much harder for me when I got home than I did it here, and I was working and I was at The Voice and I was still trying to juice. And it was really hard at home because the temptations were there and what I loved about the retreat was that, you know, we had our salad on the first day of arrival and that was it.

And then you just, you just flush and you detox for a whole week. No you do! You get your salad! I  mean? Obviously we were lucky we did it in the winter period. And by the way, for everyone listening that the best time to go. Do not go in summer!

Jason Vale: [00:06:13] Well, they've got no chance of going this summer. It's closed during lockdown!

Olly Murs: [00:06:15] Of course! But if you're gonna go, book between January and April because you get, you get the soup. The soup is amazing by the way, that really helped me. But no no,  I want to tell the story. So we get there, we meet everyone, everyone sort of doesn't really say - we all say, hello. Everyone's in their own little circles and you start chatting to people because you want to start learning about where people are from and why they're here, and what their reasons are. Everyone's got a different reason. And no one had, obviously at this point, and I don't expect people to know who I am all the time and I don't expect people to ever say anything. You know, sometimes you get sarcastic comments. Sometimes you get someone that goes,  oh, you look familiar who are you, and you know you get that sort of stupid stuff.

But everyone was really respectful. Never really said anything. And so we get to our first session, which you call the introduction. You introduce everyone. And at this point, I'm thinking, knowing you already, as I do the first 24 hours, I'm thinking, he's going to say something. You do the massive introduction chat. You don't say anything. And I'm thinking, Oh God, it is like the elephant in the room. And then we get on the trampolines. And obviously if you've ever been to the Juice retreat, there's this amazing workout on the trampolines, which I've never done before in my life. But I tell you what, I can't wait to come back to do it again, because it was so much fun! And your energy, Jason was phenomenal.  And I'm not criticizing the other trainers but... 

Jason Vale: [00:07:32] No they're rubbish, Ols!.

Olly Murs: [00:07:33] well, just the whole... 

Jason Vale: [00:07:34] No. They are. They're absolutely rubbish. 

Olly Murs: [00:07:36] Yeah, but you are just sort of on a whole another level and I was very grateful you was there for that week. But you, playing all these songs, and I was so in the workout, and then you just dropped ‘Dance With Me Tonight’ about halfway through.

And you introduce it as this is the of the greatest songs of all time.  You were just selling this song like it was a Beatles song or a Queen song or Michael Jackson song. And then you came into my song and it was just hilarious. And everyone laughed.  And obviously then you made a joke about me and it was nice.

Jason Vale: [00:08:07] It got the elephant out of the room. Because everybody knew, everybody knew you were there and stuff. And a couple of surreal moments was that -obviously you were bouncing on a trampoline to your own song at the retreat. I felt, you know, Napoleon Hill stuff, it's just that I can't imagine that when I left school at 15 and I mean, it's just incredible.

Olly's here doing  that, but moreover people pay fortunes to have you sing. We have a cryogenic chamber at the, uh, at the retreat and, and it's where you get frozen by about minus 170 of course Olly is very competitive. So, you know, the colder I had it, the colder, he must have it and, you know, even if it was going to kill him and, um, but in order to get me through, because it was so cold, I was, I was in competition mode as well, so I wanted hide.So I was going to beat Olly

Olly Murs: [00:08:45] You know what was really good about it. It was actually the reason that we were singing, it was because, you know, when you are cryo chamber, which by the way, I fully recommend, and we were doing it twice a day and you know, I'm sure Jason's spoke many times on podcasts or on social media about the benefits of it and what it does to your metabolism, and also what it does for your mindset and it gives you an energy boost and it for good for your skin. It's good for arthritis, it's good for everybody. And we used to just sing… 

Jason Vale: [00:09:13] We? I didn't sing. Let's be honest!

Olly Murs: [00:09:16] I was just singing to get  through the two minutes or three minutes of hell!

Jason Vale: [00:09:20]I was getting a  I was getting a 12 minute concert a day. No Listen, for those of you listening that are massive Olly Murs fans, you can only imagine I'm in a tiny room with Olly He's being frozen half to death. I mean, talk about surreal. 

Olly Murs: [00:09:33] You’re missing some key points! We’re in a tiny room, naked, with our wearing gloves and wellies

Jason Vale: [00:09:40] And boots. We were in boots, boots and gloves having only just met and Olly's saying, name a song and I'll sing it for you. I was like, is this actually happening? I remember a couple of times going, this isn't happening. I remember calling Kate…

Olly Murs: [00:09:52] Listen, I just want to say, like, so many stories I could talk, I could sit and talk hours about it, but I  just wanted to say, like, the retreat itself was fantastic. And it kept my mind occupied. It kept me busy, the walks, the people, the energy, your energy, the games, tasks and every, yeah, everything we got to do on the trip, you know, I can't speak highly enough of it and I've told many people close to me just how incredible it was.

 Olly Murs: [00:10:17] the reason I did that video is because I just wanted, I didn't know what else to do. I didn't know how else to say thank you. I know you'll say, oh don't be stupid, but I just felt doing that video was a great way of showing my fans. And the reaction was just phenomenal and, you know,

Jason Vale: [00:10:34] It was unbelievable the reaction and I couldn't appreciate you doing it more. And that led me to then obviously just pay a little bit more attention, I was already paying attention to your Instagram, but it's just improved and improved and improved.  No really, and it's funny cause you talk about social media. About having to be careful. And I remember at one point during lockdown, and I understand why you would have felt the need, but actually, you know, I did comment on it, where you were saying, look, some people have commented about a couple of my posts. They were hilarious, right? It's jokes, it's banter, particularly with your girlfriend. It was just hilarious. And of course you felt, some people were saying that's a bit inappropriate. That's this, that, and the other. And I did point out at the time saying, offence cannot be given, it can only be taken. It's not your choice, Olly if somebody takes offence or not. It's a personal decision of theirs. It's not down to you. It's a, it's a personal choice.

Olly Murs: [00:11:23] Yeah, and I never did any of my pranks or any of the videos that I post. You know, I really think about what I'm doing and, I never, ever expected any of my videos that I post... You know, listen, take full responsibility if obviously, like I said, in my posts and stuff that I posted on Twitter and all the other sites that, I apologize to anyone that is ever offended by anything I post, but it's never intentional to hurt anyone's feelings. Or I just did it just to have a laugh with me and my girlfriend. So, yeah. You know, it does, it does hurt you when feel like you've upset someone. I'm one of them, people that I'm so ultra-sensitive that if I feel that just one second, that someone's upset by something I've done. It really affects my day. It affects me because I mean, I, I had this thing when I came off X factor in 2010 and it sounds ridiculous, but I felt that the country hated me because they didn't vote for me to win. And it sounds ridiculous, but I lost, I lost in the final, and I was so devastated. I didn't know how to cope with it.

I remember speaking to my manager, Harry at the time, and Harry, basically said, You can't please everyone. And not everyone is gonna like you, Olly. You've got to accept that. You can't be the nice guy. You are the nice guy and we love you. And you're amazing, but you're not going to please everyone.

And you need to learn that very quickly, especially in the music industry or in the showbiz world. That there is going to be a lot of people that won't like you. There's gonna be a lot of people that are going to say nasty things about you. You just need to stay true to yourself and who you are you know.

Jason Vale: [00:12:52] Well, that was a good piece of advice. I mean, obviously it's a great piece of advice, but as you've already alluded to, it is easier said than done, isn't it? Like you said, if you do. And I think one of the downfalls of being such a nice person, and I know, it sounds like, you know, I mean, honestly, I've met a lot of people in this industry, Ols, I've said to you privately and I genuinely mean it. It's very, very rare You always reply to messages. You always get back. And if you don't, then you say, Oh sorry, I haven't got... all these things that you'd never expect somebody in your position to ever… you've remained  Olly Murs. You just remained yourself. And the challenge with that, and here's the downfall of caring, is that when you care, the problem... some people don't care have the best night's sleep in the world.

When you do care about people, and it can be a downside because especially if you're on social media and you have millions of followers as you do, there's bound to be the odd, jealous egg that starts posting some...And it could be an old school friend that just still has resentment for you,  Ols, you know,

Olly Murs: [00:13:45] Yeah,

Jason Vale: [00:13:46] Because you've been successful.

Olly Murs: [00:13:47] yeah, I mean, Social media. I have, like everyone, I think I've my good days with it, I see so many positive comments, you know, every single day it's full of love and a lot of people that are very nice to me, you know? And then there's, the negativity, which again, we have, sometimes in life, you have to accept that, you know, any success there is going to be some negativity

Jason Vale: [00:14:07].Absolutely. I just, I mean,

Olly Murs: [00:14:09] and I'm sure you could probably sit here with the career you've had been with the Juice retreat. There's going to be many people that will be positive about it. And there'd be a lot of people that are negative about it.

Jason Vale: [00:14:17] People negative at, hang on, hang on. People negative about my Juice retreat. Never in a million. I don't know what on earth you're talking about.

Olly Murs: [00:14:25] No, but I mean there'd be jealous people and people that would say that it doesn't work.

Jason Vale: [00:14:29] No, there are! Do you know what it's funny though, because I actually, literally yesterday I came off of Twitter, it came off, I just closed my account. And I can, and it's the first time I've done that. And it's because I thought. What purpose is this negativity serving me? I just thought virtually everything I read on Twitter was so angry. So, I like Instagram, which is very upbeat, very lovely. Oh, the vast majority. And, that's where you've come in. I mean, did you hone those skills? Because you were recovering from, I mean last year you had a year and a half to say the least in 2019, and you thought that was a bad year and then 2020 reared its ugly head. Oh with lockdown. But nobody saw this coming, but…

Olly Murs: [00:15:02] My plans. you know, I planned for lockdown and

I was obviously for people listening, you know, I had an ACL reconstruction, so it was quite  a big deal. 

Jason Vale: [00:15:12] But how did you struggle with it? Because fitness is huge. You've always been involved. I mean, not only were you, an ex-semi-pro footballer, I'm going to get on to the fact that you part-own a club now as well, and mean football's in your passion.

I mean, you do Soccer Aid and everything else. Plus, of course, you do a lot of working out, you know, physical fitness is really important to you. And so how did you find that? I mean you couldn't move presumably for a length of time? I mean, how long was it?

Olly Murs: [00:15:32] I mean the injury I had the injury for years, I had the injury for 10 years, my left knee had no ACL. And it started to deteriorate, which meant that my left leg was slowly bending inwards. So I would have had a limp. for the rest of my life, if I didn't get it sorted.

And, I had an amazing doctor in London, that I saw who gave me some real stern advice and said, look, you know, you need to change your life and you need to change this now because it's going to get worse. Basically, he said to me after seeing my x-ray and you know, you've met me, Jason and I walked in and I was full of banter, I was having a laugh with them and chatting away about few things.

And he said, look, you know, we need to look at your x-ray. It was the first time that he'd seen it. And he looked at me. And he said, I know it's all been fun and games, you know, talking to you, Olly, and it's pleasure to meet you, but I'm a 50 year old man, and looking at your knee now you've got a 50 year old knee, and you're only 35 and I was like…

Jason Vale: [00:16:25] Can I just say I'm 50, there's nothing wrong with a 50 year old knee. Right. Can I just, can I just want to point out, I just want to point out you said that like, it's the worst thing you could possibly have is a 50 year old knee. Well, I got two of them. I've got two of those things. I'm joking. I know what you mean,

Olly Murs: [00:16:44] But he said, he, he basically, by the way, I've seen you, I've seen you run and you're all over the place. Jesus. But just, no one says, he said, it's you, Jason grew, you love you so much, but no, I basically, I, from that moment on, I just wanted, well I need to make a change. So I did. It was tough at first, but mentally,I never for one second, I mean, my manager, Sarah, after a few months of doing this, she just said like, you're coping with this so well, like, you know, you know, I think your bad days know you seem really positive and it's because I knew that I had to keep that frame of mind.

I had to stay positive, knowing that if I, for one second felt like, Oh, this could end of my music career because I can't dance or sing on stage, you know? Okay. I

Jason Vale: [00:17:28] Oh, I was going to say, why is it the  end of your music career? I thought all of a sudden you were singing through your knee, but I know what you mean!

Olly Murs: [00:17:32] No, I can still sing, but for anyone that's come and seen me in concert would know that I'm an entertainer, I'm a performer. And so for someone like me, that can't move around the stage, which would ruin my performance. It wouldn't be the same me. So I just never, for one second felt like if I let that cloud over me and I think about that too much, then I'm gonna, get myself into a bad place here.

So I needed to stay positive and I've, always had that sort of mindset. And I did, I, got through, I worked my rehab hard. My physio was with me, most days, you know, um, I know that I'm in a very privileged position to be able to do that. I know that when I originally went to get my ACL done in 2007, I couldn't have that sort of rehab.

And I didn't do actual reconstruction then, because 10 years ago I couldn't afford to do that. I had to work.  I understand that. I'm very lucky. So for them, six months, I worked really hard knowing that I'm very lucky to be able to do this, and I want to get back to doing what I love. I did, I worked extremely hard, but I'll be honest with you lockdown has been so much harder.

Jason Vale: [00:18:34] Is that, because I was going to come on to that, is that because in January, so for example, you've just done all that rehab. You worked really hard to do all that. And then January, of course, at that point, you'd already started this, this again, transformation you've already been fit, healthy, slim, that kind of thing.

But of course during if you can't move and everything else you rely on exercise then of course, I know that you said put on an extra coat that you, that you didn't, you didn't, that you didn't know existed and you want to get the coat off. And you did it kind of rapidly.

I mean, you were there in January and like you said, because people say, Oh, he did that all coming to Juicy Oasis. I went no he didn't. I mean, you had to put everybody, right? No, he didn't.  I think he dropped 10 pounds while you're at Juicy O', but actually you'd already start the journey before then, and you continued the journey afterwards and you don't live on... the confusing part that people have or does that mean they just live on juice... far from it? I mean, far from it, I mean, Olly's what I call a real eater, that's what I've got is what I explained to you. You know what I mean. But what I mean by that Ol, is you're, is you're is you're real. That's what I love about your Instagram. One minute you go, alright I'm having a juice, next thing you go, Oh my God, I can't believe the muffins got me. You know, not quite that, but, you know, and, and people relate to that and they like that. So you were on this mission, you think, but, and then lockdown hit. Is lockdown harder because you felt like it just put you back a bit? Why is locked down harder, do you think?

Olly Murs: [00:19:43] No, was a bit of everything. It was, you know, me very excited about  a lot of things planned this year, as lots of people listening probably did. Holidays. I had Soccer Aid coming up. I had The Voice to finish. I had all these exciting things planned for work and what I was going to do next. And my TV company. I just had loads of from a, from a work perspective, I had loads of exciting things. You know, I had a new haircut. I just felt like this was a new me. It was a new, year. 2020 was like a new time for me. I did 10 years as the guy with the quiff, from X factor. And I felt like, I felt like, 2020 was, you know, a new me. I had an amazing new girlfriend and yeah, lockdown just kind of side-tracked it all, and slowed it all down. And I found comfort by eating things that I loved, and eating chocolate, and I was sort of struggling to find, not happiness, that sounds really deep, but you know, I was just struggling to enjoy my days.  I wasn't really excited about anything. You know, I was obviously hounding my girlfriend to do TikTok videos, but she obviously works and you know, I've got the same sort of brain and same energy as you, Jason, I have to be doing something.

And you know, my manager, Sarah knows me very well. And, you know, my friends do and my tour manager, Mark. You know, all of them know me so well they know my family and  like I have to be doing something. So, you know, at first I was doing Lego, but I was, yeah.

Jason Vale: [00:21:08] I saw the Lego. I saw... I saw the Lego posts and they just made me smile a lot. I thought here's somebody who doesn't mind just going, do you know what? I'm a big kid. I don't care what you think. 

Olly Murs: [00:21:19] But I'll be honest, you view on the surface, you know, it looks like I was having loads of fun in lockdown, had loads of pranks with Amelia. It was all, you know, amazing.  But I've had some really tough days and really low days and days where I just was thinking like, what's my purpose?

Jason Vale: [00:21:37] And that's the key word there, Olly.

Olly Murs: [00:21:38] And the worry and the, sorry, the worry and the fear of not knowing like my life I've always felt like I was in control of what I was doing next and where I was going next and who I was seeing next. I feel that most people in this lockdown have probably felt the same it's that…

Jason Vale: [00:21:54] Well, you suddenly realise, Olly. It's a very good point you make. You suddenly realise you're not in charge of the board game.  Life is a board game and you think you make the moves and I'm very much of that ilk. I like you, like, I think really has struggled with that more than anything else.

Variety is one of the six human needs that we require. We have to have variety. We have to have love and connection as well, but real connection not just with one person either, and that's not to down our partners or anything else. We need variety, even variety of connection. And I think the biggest challenge with lockdown in every area has been that.

But what I think will come from this, and I don't know whether you feel the same is that when we come out of this, that there's always going to be some take home. There's always going to be something good that comes of this. And whether it's gratitude, the fact that we've learned to slow down a little bit at least, you know, and appreciate some things.

I don't know. is there anything, any take-homes that you're going to have from, from lockdown?

Olly Murs: [00:22:46] Yeah. I, of course I feel like I'm connected so much more with, there's been quite a few, actually. I feel like I've really connected and my bond with my family, my friends is a lot stronger. I feel like I've made more time for them. Although, you know, I do make a lot of time for my friends and family when I can obviously, but I just feel like I've spoken to them a lot more.

I feel like I'm more connected with people and I feel like I want to socialize even more. I went for a picnic recently the other day. Because I'm allowed to go out to the park now.

Jason Vale: [00:23:16] Allowed to go out now!

Olly Murs: [00:23:17] now with not feeling like I've got to look over my shoulder. There could be a Pat there and I'm allowed to be there. You know, I honestly it really freaked me out, but now that I'm allowed me and my girlfriend went for a picnic and we were two meters away from one of her friends.

It was her birthday and it was just amazing. It's the first picnic I've been on in years. And I just remember thinking, I want to do this more often,  I want to see my friends without having to go to the pub or a club or on a holiday or, or here. feel like the simple things are the things that I'll miss the most after the lockdown and I'll try and keep doing. And yeah, and, and just, I think me and my girlfriend, it's been really amazing for us.

Jason Vale: [00:23:56] Listen, Olly, I'll tell you what look you have. Not only, not only have you survived lockdown, you survived lockdown with a new relationship. We haven't really been tested. I mean, I mean, this is a major feat and your, your pranks. He played on each other and listen, by the way, anyone listening that has it just go back on Olly's Instagram posts.

Listen, you you've had a couple of major milestones as well happen during lockdown and so I wonder how these went. First of all, you had your birthday, during lockdown. I saw what Amelia had done I mean, unbelievable. I thought, you know, when you, you're just mentioned that, I think she's moved in, made sure she doesn't move out.

If that's what she does. If that's the kind of person she is, don't ever let her go. So she's obviously a magic maker. I mean, it looked like you had a good birthday, even under the circumstances.

Olly Murs: [00:24:37] You know what? It was amazing and I'm very lucky. considering it was lockdown. I mean, how she, hid the presents from me? And like, I don't know how she's done it all, but, you know, she just did a great birthday and I woke up in the morning and, Because I'm really bad at the mornings.

But she got me up in the morning. First off, she woke me up in the morning for a family Zoom chat, by the way, when, I mean, I just woke up, like my eyes on just what I remember is the blinds going up and she's like, Happy Birthday. And as I looked on the iPad screen, all my family had banners and balloons.

They all sung me happy birthday, which was a perfect start. And then I walked into the kitchen and she had all these presents that were sent from me, from my family. And, she did this amazing thing, she's so thoughtful my girlfriend. And I'm very, I hope he continues cause it's so…

Jason Vale: [00:25:24] You're hoping she's not lying during the audition. Is that what you're thinking?

Olly Murs: [00:25:26] Yeah.

Jason Vale: [00:25:28] Just to get the ... just to get the part.

Olly Murs: [00:25:30] Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I just hope that because she's so amazing. I know she, I know she will, because she's just such a thoughtful person, but yeah, no, it was amazing. It made me feel really special. And then I just had a great day.

Jason Vale: [00:25:45] Which was good. I mean, it's not every day you turn 49. You're looking good. So it's no, it's good. No, you're looking... You're looking because what you didn't want last year at four.

Olly Murs: [00:25:53] I told you that in confidence!

Jason Vale: [00:25:57] You look great. It must be all the juice you're drinking. There you go. I've got it in! Now, just take you back a little bit. We're not going to go on too much longer, obviously. I don't want to take up too much of your time, Olly, But I mean, I could do about 20 podcasts with you, to be honest with you. I mean, I've looked through some of the background info and what normally happens is that it gets sent to me like, literally, 15 minutes before.

Because I like people to learn while I'm learning at the same time. And I didn't know, I didn't know you'd been knocked back from X-Factor twice before you actually went on to, I would say, win the series and we'll get onto that in a minute.  Because ultimately you were the winner. I know Joe McElderry won it, but you know, you ultimately won. At the time, it wouldn't have felt like it, but your audition was incredible.

'Very Superstitious'. So I want to get onto that because I remember walking with you and we talked about this and I had no idea. First of all, I didn't know. You'd been knocked back twice. But, I mean, that's tenacity. What made you in fact, it for people listening, especially young people going, well, I've been knocked back and in today's world, if you get knocked about once, most people just give up.

So what was it inside you that went well, I'm going to go again. I mean, and what stages were you knocked out twice before from the show?

Olly Murs: [00:26:57] I just, wasn't happy with how I represented myself in the auditions that I had previous. I just, wasn't going to accept  a 'no'.  I don't know what it was, Jason. I can't put my finger on it, but I just, wasn't going to accept some snotty gentleman in a room with his iPad look down at me and just go, no, sorry, not this year. I just thought  you know what? I'm going to get, in front of Simon Cowell. I'm going to do it. I'm don't care. Yeah. Yeah. People don't know, like, you know, there's lots of stages before you get to see the coaches, you know, but I was like, you know what, if someone's going to tell me that I'm useless and I'm rubbish at singing and I'm.

wasting my time. It would be Simon Cowell. So I just had this vision and I just wanted to change my life. I felt like I had something to give to the entertainment industry. I felt there was an inner desire and an inner feeling that just made me think, this is it. I've got something. I know that there's something about me that people will like, or there's a job here for me and I don't know what it is. And you know, I went twice, I failed and I just kept going. I remember being in Australia, traveling for 3 months. I was having the time of my life. I was in paradise. Australia, I was having the most amazing time, travelling on my own. And I remember being on a balcony with a guy called Matty B, and all his mates had a 'B' on the end. It was very weird, but they were from North London. And Matty B was on the balcony, was having a few glasses and he turns around to me and says, you should stay in Australia. I said, what do you mean? He goes, why are you going home? You don't need to, we can get you sponsored. We'll get you a visa. You could spend another 12 months here. We could have the best time.

Because we was having the best time. We can stay here. You know, you could probably get in 2 or 3 years of residency here. And he was sort of selling me this amazing dream and I let him speak like 10 minutes. And I said Matty, not going to stay here. He was like, but why? And I said, no joke.

I went I'm going to go back and do X factor. And he looked at me with the weirdest his face and the shock and he just burst into laugh. He just couldn't stop laughing. Jason, he laughed in my face to the point that he went, Gavin, come out here, Johnny B, come out here! He grabbed about three of the housemates that lived with him.

They're all from London. He went, you've got listen to this, like Olly basically, won't stay in Australia, live the dream, travel this amazing country, change his life, because he thinks he's going to go on X factor and have a music career.  And they were all laughing at me. It was something out of a film. I remember looking at them going, wow. I mean,

Jason Vale: [00:29:30] Yeah, but I already know, I knowing what I know about you already. Ol, that would have just driven you.

Olly Murs: [00:29:35] And he turned around to me and he went, okay then, sing for us. And I went stop being an idiot. I'm not going to sing.  He says, no, no, go on. If you really think you're gonna win X factor, sing for us now,  and I said, I'm not going to sing for you now. I said, just wait and see. And you know what, that spurred me on.

Jason Vale: [00:29:49] But I want to hear about your audition song. Cause I remember you telling me the story and I thought that that is brilliant. So you, you, what was the original song that you were going to sing?

Olly Murs: [00:29:56] So I, yes, so I sat at the O2. I got there late and I remember thinking, why have I done this? I've been here twice before. I should have known that there was going to be a queue overnight, or there'd be hundreds of thousands of people here because they basically said at the O2 it's first come first serve. So I turned up at nine o'clock thinking that was a good time. Well, when I got there, it was, it was wrapped. I've always been a great blagger and a salesman I managed squeeze my way to the front, I was in the last row of the O2.

And I sat there all day and I was singing Paolo Nutini, New Shoes. It was one of my favourite songs at the time. I got some new shoes on suddenly . It's a great song. I loved the vibe. It was very much me. And I went down and I was in a band at the time and the guy Dave, um, who was the MD at the band and musical director.

He said,

Jason Vale: [00:30:48] Was that The Small Town Blaggers?

Olly Murs: [00:30:49] No, this was the F2K,  they did do loads of functions and stuff, and they, had me as like a backing singer to the main girl. And they said to me, can you learn Superstition, to help her out in case, you know, during the show she needs you and stuff.  I said, yeah, yeah, of course. I was learning it at the time.

So then all of a sudden I'm walking down the O2. And there was these 20 booths. There's all these different queues of people in different lines and you just get some random industry person. It could be anyone that works in the music industry or works on TV. So I stand in front of this guy and he says, hi, what's your name?

And he looked at me like, what's your name? I went, it's Olly. Olly who?  Olly Murs. Where are you from? Essex? Right. What are you going to sing?  And I said, right, going to sing Paolo Nutini  'New Shoes'. I'm going to tell you exactly what he said. I'm not going to pull any aid. He went, for fuck's sake. He goes, if I hear fucking Kings of Leon, 'Sex on Fire'. If I hear Paolo Nutini 'New Shoes' or 'Bridge Over -fucking-Troubled Water' again, he said, I'm going to lose my mind. I've been here all day. That's all I've bloody heard. He said, can you sing anything else, please? Have you got anything else to sing? And I'm mean for that 30 seconds, Jason. And I'm sure there's people listening that have been in a position like that at work, or someone's put you on the spot. And you've got to think of something... that 30 seconds felt like an hour. And I had to think, and the only song, this sums up my personality and who I am, the only two songs I could think of at the time, was 'Mysterious Girl', Peter Andre. And, and, um, you know, um, Sex On The Beach. “I want to have sex”.  For some reason they're the only songs that came in my mind.  And I'm thinking, fuck, what am I going to do?

And then I just, for one moment, the light bulb went 'bing' and then I sung 'Superstition' and then that was it.  I sung it in front of him. And I mean, it was like this, now.  I just went, you know, 

Jason Vale: [00:32:45] Come on give us a few bars. Come on!

Olly Murs: [00:32:46] ‘Very superstitious, the writing's on the wall.’ And I just started singing it. And then the guy looked at me and he went, you’re through!

And I was like, Oh my God! And then that was it. After every round of auditions, I just sung Superstition. And then all I remember is the next minute I'm backstage at the Excel Centre in London. I can hear Simon Cowell in the background echoing, going. No, it's a no. And the crowd are booing 'booo!' And all I can hear is him in the background and echo in his loud voice. No,  it's  a  no, sorry, not this year. You're rubbish. You sound like a cat, you know, it was just like, I've seen, babies sing better than you, you know? And I saw like, I'm sat there going, god, this is really not going well. And then I just composed myself, sat there and said, do you know what? If this is meant to be, it's meant to be, if this is what I'm supposed to do for the rest of my life, I need to step up now. If I want to prove to people that I can sing and dance and be the person that I believe I can be. This is my moment. And I just walked out there you can watch the audition.

Jason Vale: [00:33:51] Well, I think everybody should!  Anybody who's listening if you're from overseas, and I don't know, you've been under  a rock, you haven't heard of Olly Murs for whatever reason, go to YouTube... and no, but honestly, go to YouTube and just put in the X factor audition because it is one of the single most watched auditions in X-Factor history.

And for good reason! I watched it again last night, oddly, because I knew that obviously we were recording and I watched it while you were at the retreat as well. And every time I see it, it just, you can never get bored of it. And one of the times there's a couple of little smirks that you do, but there's one in particular where Simon just smirks. He just suddenly realizes that actually what he's got in front of him, isn't just another audition. And you can see his, his face change and I saw your face change. And I think you knew at the time you'd nailed it. Didn't you? You must've known?

Olly Murs: [00:34:34] Well, no, I mean, even talking about it now, like, it gets me not emotional, but I just get like goosebumps. And think back to that moment and you're right. Like, you know, when Simon said to me, and listen everyone, it doesn't matter who you are, you know, Jason, if you was auditioning for a show and you,  you don't really care what the other judges say.  That's not horribly,

Jason Vale: [00:34:57] No, but you don't

Olly Murs: [00:34:58] I, you know, don't get me wrong. I love Louis. I love Danny and Cheryl  so like I'm sat in front of these amazing people, and I just wanted to know what Simon thought of me. And when Simon said this is the easy ‘yes’ I've ever given.

And you're talking about this guy at the time, well he still is the biggest judge in the world. He's on the biggest show.  On American Idol, he's seen some of the biggest stars and he's telling me that I am the easiest  'yes', he's ever given, that was like, wow, I couldn't even, even now.

Jason Vale: [00:35:31] Especially, especially when you've been knocked back twice before. And that's the tenacity that I was talking about. You know, the young people today, instant gratification world, you've had a few ‘Sliding Door’ moments. One was in Australia. And there's two kinds of people, I think, Olli. The kind of people that actually, when somebody is negative to them, and say, you can't do something, all it does is drive them to make sure that I'm going to show you!

Olly Murs: [00:35:50] Yeah.

Jason Vale: [00:35:50] You're that person and other people and other people aren't like that. But you clearly are.

Olly Murs: [00:35:55] Yeah, no. And I'll be honest with you, and this is not a dig at my family, I love my family to bits. They've always been so supportive in everything that I've done and, you know, they were always very realistic with me and they were managing my goals and expectations, you know, and, by what I'm about to say, it's not saying that my parents were bad parents or my family was not very nice. They just didn't support me in my music journey and my dream. And that wasn't because they didn't believe in me. They just felt…

Jason Vale: [00:36:24] They knew...  they knew the odds, Olly, in fairness to them.

Olly Murs: [00:36:27] no, no, no. Whenever I have this conversation and I always have to sort of make sure that people are aware, like the odds of being a pop star or a singer, are like a million, or like 3 trillion to one or something.

Like there's so many people that want to be that person. So when I sort of said to my parents, like I'm 25, I'm going to go part-time. I'm going to work at a call centre and just earn peanuts, and I'm just going to, try and be an entertainer and performer and sell records and be a multi-platinum triple platinum selling artist.

At the time they were like, you're fucking mad! What did we create here? And then, you know, that was sort of, again, my driving force to sort of prove to my family. And I remember when it did happen, you know, dad did this amazing interview on X-Factor, no  my, on my actual documentary show and he basically turned around and said, what do we know? You know, Olly, basically all he told us he wanted to be an international superstar and sell records and be a number one platinum artist and we sort of laughed at him, but what do we know? And for anyone listening to this, it's like, I always say, it doesn't matter if my parents were driving me to auditions or they weren't driving me to auditions, it all comes from you. You have to have that inner desire and ambition that you know, your parents can't give you. They can only take me to the ocean. I've got to swim,

Jason Vale: [00:37:43] Yeah. And they're also, and there's also, it's never going to be the case because generational differences come into play. When I was growing up, obviously the parents at the time, my mom was a job for life. It's like very second I said, well, here's what I'm going to do, I'm going to actually stop a job in order to pursue something else she went, you're  going to stop a job?  I mean, the freak-out that happened and my mom was the single most supportive human and best friend that I…

Olly Murs: [00:38:05] and you told me the story of your mum.

Jason Vale: [00:38:06] And, and she really is. But the point is, is that even from that generation, when I said I was going to write a book, I mean, bear in mind, I was, you know, heavily dyslexic. I couldn't even read books, let alone write them. And when I said I was going to write a book, she just, I mean, for the first time ever, she was like, Oh, that's nice. You know, like she'd support anything, but she like looked at me like I've just grown 20 heads. But you know, Napoleon Hill in 1953 said ‘whatever the mind can believe and conceive it can achieve’. And you, you embody that.

Olly Murs: [00:38:29] No, I, and that is so true, but you know, I just want to reiterate, like you said earlier, my parents were just managing my expectations and that's not the, you know, they weren't, you…

Jason Vale: [00:38:38] Well, they just want to… listen… They just want the best for you. 

Olly Murs: [00:38:41] Sorry. I just want to say, I've always been very realistic and  my team used to, you know, and I think that's probably why I'm still down to earth. Because they still manage my expectations now. You know, my mum and dad'll say, well, yeah, you might be a triple platinum-selling artist, but you don't come into my house and leave your shoes, or walking, walk into, walk into our house, you know, and walk through the house on our carpet with your shoes on, Go and take them off. My mum and dad even if I do something successful, they'll say, yeah, it's great you've got a number one, Olly, like we're really proud of you but, you know, go and get the next one. And then, so now they've kind of instilled this other side of it where it's kind of like they keep that drive in me not to rest on my laurels. So it's…

Jason Vale: [00:39:19] But also, do you find people just get used to your success, Olly, as well? And that's part of the challenge as well is that we all want positive feedback. We all need it. We all thrive from it. We all want somebody going, Oh my God, that's an incredible feat, you just did. But of course people you're around the most are the ones that kind of take your success for granted. I mean, like…

Olly Murs: [00:39:35] Yeah,  of course. I think they’re just like overwhelmed. I don't think they mean I never…

Jason Vale: [00:39:40] How did they react when 'Please, don't, let me go' went straight to number one. And you beat Katy Perry, 'Teenage Dream'. I mean, it wasn't just one of her dodgy songs

Olly Murs: [00:39:46] No.

Jason Vale: [00:39:47] I mean, you beat Katy Perry...

Olly Murs: [00:39:48] I need to, I need to tell this story I need to tell this story because it's  so funny! I just remember sat at Epic records doing this interview of Heat magazine and I'm in this meeting, I'm talking to Heat magazine.  And I l thought there's no chance in getting number one. And  the woman says what will you do if you get number one and you beat Katy Perry? I said, well I'll do a naked photoshoot for your magazine, right? And I remember walking out of that meeting and Sarah, my manager was like, how did it go? And I was like, I went amazing. And then the woman was like, yeah, it was a fantastic chat. And Olly has said, if he gets number one, he's doing a naked photoshoot for us. And my manager looked at me, Sarah was like, what have you done? But then I sort of looked at her and thought, shit! Like, Sarah actually really believes we're gonna do this. And then it was kind of like, shit. Maybe this might actually come true! Honest to God, when I said, what I said, I honestly didn't believe…

Jason Vale: [00:40:45] No.

Olly Murs: [00:40:45] I thought they might get some headlines and, you know, You know, we say things as artists that we know that he might get a bit of traction for the single coming out. You know, it might do something, but I never expected to actually get number one.   So Sarah, basically messaged me saying, congratulations, I hope you've been doing your press ups because you've got to get naked this week! I'll never forget that message! And I remember thinking I've just got number one, I'm so excited and I'm thinking, Oh, shit I've got to get naked this week. And.

Jason Vale: [00:41:16] What have you done? I remember Gary Lineker had the same thing when he said that if Leicester win the Premiership then he's going to do… and he had to do it. And so presumably you did it, right?

Olly Murs: [00:41:24] Yeah, I did it. I mean, you can see it on the internet.

Jason Vale: [00:41:26] Okay. Well, well, well,

Olly Murs: [00:41:28] I just remember the photo shoot.

Jason Vale: [00:41:29] thanks, Ols. I mean, you know, it's not going to be the first thing I click on.

Olly Murs: [00:41:32] It's not going to be...

if you Google 'Olly Murs naked'  I think that'd be hilarious!  And  the fact that Kate finds your Google search!

Jason Vale: [00:41:40] All right. That'd be hilarious. Yeah. She's already a little bit worried about me and you, anyway! But anyway, 

We need to do a part two of this at some point, but the albums that you've released, your six albums since then in case you don't know, I'm not saying to people listening, in case you don't know, that was the name of the album, which was ‘In Case You Don't Know’. ' Right Place, Right Time'.

I'm not saying that you're in the right place, right time listening to this podcast. Now that is actually another name of an album.  ‘Never Been Better’, that's the triple platinum, ‘24 Hours’. How long roughly does it take to listen to that one, Ols?

Olly Murs: [00:42:11] We should have done a 24 hours album, be fair!

Jason Vale: [00:42:13] We should. We should. Yeah, you should have. Yeah, 'You Know, I know' who comes up with the title of, of the, uh,

Olly Murs: All of these, apart from the first album, are actually tracks on the album. So these are songs that I've written and songs that I was proud of or songs that sort of represented how I was at the time. 

Olly Murs: [00:42:33] But I just want to say for anyone listening, that's bought an album or listened to my songs at any point,  and whether you've liked them or hated them, or, you know, whether you just danced it once, and you've never listened to it ever again. Thank you! Like, honestly, my life has changed so much, but you know, just if my music has helped you in any way, or, it's got you through a bad period or it makes you happy. Like that makes me… it just it's changed my life being a singer and an artist. And, I'm very, very grateful. 

Jason Vale: [00:43:02] I want to, I want to do part two this at some point, right? Maybe, maybe in the future. Because I mean, there's so much stuff. I mean, the Maasai walk you did for Comic Relief. The fact that you are captain in Live Aid, the fact that you 're a semi- professional footballer, the fact, and there's lists - the fact that you did film debut, Spies in Disguise. A hundred and one things. I mean, there's tons! The Voice. What made you join The Voice? 

I mean, that's for another time, obviously. And all this stuff there's so much that I thought we were going to get through, but then at the same time, I thought just one part of your life, you can talk for so long just about that particular part. So I want to finish with this the light-heartedness that I want to finish on.

So I didn't know that you'd appeared on 'Deal Or No Deal'. Didn't know this, right? Now, so in 2007, for those that don't know, and if you don't know the game, it was where there was several boxes and it was a pointless game. Now

Olly Murs: [00:43:47] There's no skill involved!

Jason Vale: [00:43:48] There was no skill involved, but people thought that their ‘spirit’ somehow led them to a particular number, which was always hilarious because Noel Edmonds, equally felt the same thing. But of course, when it had no money in, then obviously their spirit wasn't working, it had nothing to do with number! Anyway… You appeared on the Game Show 'Deal Or No Deal', in a bid to earn some quick cash in 2007. And I believe you walked away with a massive sum, by the way, you can win 250 grand on this show, just to put it in perspective. And that's way back in 2007. At the time I think you could have done with the money, Ols.  How much did you walk away with?

Olly Murs: [00:44:18] Yeah, 10 pounds...

Jason Vale: [00:44:20] Let me ask you another question, because I went down to the 'Deal Or No Deal' studios once, don't even ask why, a friend of mine was a fan and we ended up sitting in the audience. I mean, that was a bad day. I'm never going to get back! Anyway. 10 pounds. How much did it cost you for food and drink the night before or travel down there?

Olly Murs: [00:44:36] I'll be honest with you.  That was the funniest thing about it was that actually, I never checked in the tenner because wanted to keep the cheque to always have it. As a keepsake. And what made me laugh the most is, about a year or five months, four months off...because there was always rumours that if for anyone that didn't do well on the show they’d invite you back and you could be on the show again and they'd give you another chance.

And I don't know why that was. I think it was just a myth that all us contestants that basically did really badly, we always felt that Noel Edmonds might ring us up. So I remember about 4 months after it had been aired and obviously I won a tenner, and I had the cheque. I had a phone call.  I remember being upstairs at my house.

And mum goes, Olly!, I was like, yes, she was like, the phone's gone.  It’s Deborah from 'Deal Or No Deal'. And I've rushed downstairs. I put the phone into my chest, I've gone, oh my God! And mum's like, and my mum's looking at me like, They're gonna invite you back? I'm like, yes! I was like, hello? And she's like, oh hi Olly, it's Deborah here from 'Deal Or No Deal'. How are you? You alright? Yeah, I'm good, thank you. Listen, just a quick one, I work on the account side of things. We've noticed that you haven't checked in your 10 pounds. You haven't done your cheque. You haven't checked  it in. If you don't check that in, or if you don't, it was it ‘cash’ sorry…

Jason Vale: [00:45:43] Cash. Cash the cheque. 

Olly Murs: [00:45:45] If you don't cash that cheque in the next three weeks, the cheque will be void.

If you could  just let us know what you plan to do? We just thought we'd let you know. I just said to her on the phone, I said, listen, you can cancel the cheque, I'm never checking in. So I never actually checked it in.

Jason Vale: [00:45:59] Yeah, but do you know what you do a hell of a lot for charity. However, when you returned to 'Deal Or No Deal', later on in your bid to do something for charity, once you, got celebrity status, and people knew who you were. You went back on the show. Now this is even funnier. Now 

Olly Murs: [00:46:13] So by the way, can I just say? this is an interesting fact. I'm the only person in the history of 'Deal Or No Deal' to go on the show twice. Because I went on the normal show, and I also went on the celebrity version. So I'm the only person in the history of the show to have done it twice.

Jason Vale: [00:46:25] Yeah. Now, normally that's a big up. Your first time was 10 pounds. Your second time that you, that you were playing for charity, how much did you, uh, how much did you raise? 

Olly Murs: [00:46:36] 50p…I felt so bad. So after we finished the show, we were like, Oh my God, this is awful. Like, I've come here for a charity, you know. We was hoping to, you know, to at least get, you know, 10, 15, 20,000, something like that, you know, and that would be so amazing. So in the end, you know, I think I donated 10 grand or…  I think we stepped on that back cause I felt so awful. So I ended up giving the charity my own money and I just said to them I feel so bad. So I ended up donating it myself cause I just, felt so awful!

Jason Vale: [00:47:06] But, you know, I would have done... that's a brilliant thing to do. Not everybody would have done that. It's the kind of thing that George Michael used to do. He was a real magic maker as well. He used to watch the show, George Michael, and he would see somebody hasn't won and he would just lit… and people only found out about what he did afterwards, after passed away, people realized just actually what a philanthropist he was. However, going to finish on this. I've got two boxes genuinely. I'm not making this up. You can't see. I know it's a podcast. I've got two boxes in front of me, but the 'Deal Or No Deal', right. One has 50 pence in it.  Right, for old school times. The other one has another invitation to a Juicy Oasis or Juicy Escape of your choice when that opens at some point for another, session. So one's got number seven on it. The other one's got number 10 on it. Which box would you like to pick to open?

Olly Murs: [00:47:50] Well, I'm going to open number seven because I'm a big Manchester United fan. That is a number that I love very much. Christiano Ronaldo, David Beckham with all that. 

Jason Vale: [00:48:02] Stuart Pearson. Don't forget Stuart Pearson back in 1977, 78. I'm a huge Man United fan.

Olly Murs: [00:48:07] Yeah.  George Best, you know, some of the greatest players have worn that, Eric Cantona. So I'm going to go with seven.

Jason Vale: [00:48:13] Well, let me, 

Olly Murs: [00:48:16] Oh, please tell me my run on 'Deal Or No Deal' has come to an end!

Jason Vale: [00:48:21] Olly. You chose number seven, one box had 50p the other one had a trip to the retreat. I'm pleased that he's only got a trip to the retreat, everybody!

Olly Murs: Yeah!

Jason Vale: Come on the ending of 'Deal Or No Deal', I actually knew you get to choose number seven because you're a man United fan and I'm a Man United fan. I used to wear number seven shirt when I played football and If you're a man United fan number seven, shirts does resonates. So I see. So I kind of guessed that you would pick it. Olly Murs. I can't thank you enough for being on. I know we've only touched on, several things.

I really appreciate your time. You are unbelievably busy, even on lockdown, people try and get your time  And that's why I thought I'd be a pest like everybody else and say, Olly quick.  So triple platinum album artist amongst other things,  and model. Let's not forget.   Olly Murs, thank you very much for being on the podcast everybody. Come on!