Getting The Juice With: Vicky Pattison

Today’s guest is none other than TV star and Jungle Queen, Vicky Pattison. Vicky is definitely one book who shouldn’t be judged by her cover and one of the most ‘real’ people you’ll ever meet. Although she’s been through plenty of life’s ups and downs, she’s in a great place at the moment, despite all the madness. Listen now to find out how Vicky has coped with Lockdown and how it’s made her realise what’s important.

If you’re looking for a podcast that is politics and religion free and one that focuses on inspiration, a bit of good old-fashioned banter, and plenty of laughs - then this could be for you!

Transcript

Jason:  It's the Jason Vale podcast, everybody. Thank you very much. Listen, wherever you are, whatever you're up to, while you listen to this episode, thank you for your company. If you're new to the podcast, first of all, where on earth have you been? I mean, if this is your first time joining us, then you've missed quite a bit, if I'm honest. Well, I say you've missed it - you can, of course listen to any of the previous seasons or episodes, any time. Now, just to give you a little flavour of what you've missed, truly inspirational talks and some genuinely hilarious conversations, with some people that you may or may not know Lorraine Kelly of course. Paul McKenna, 'I'm Paul McKenna, look into my eyes". The very, very inspirational Katie Piper, one of the most moving, I think, interviews I've ever done. Chris Moyles is the most hilarious podcast I've ever done. Tommy Mallet. What an amazing, inspirational young man he is. The one and only Beverly Knight, Jenny Faulkner, Ian Marber, Dale Pinnock, the Speakmans, it just goes on and on and on. However, however, today it is all about someone else. Yes, indeed. It's all about the guest today, who first hit our screens back in 2011 on a reality TV show on MTV. Since then, she's gone on to write two novels, an autobiography. She even won I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here. Won it no less! She's been a panellist on Loose Women. She's an ambassador for WW. And more recently, I was noticing, during lockdown, I saw her, and her lovely fellow packing some care packages for the elderly and raised a bunch of cash in the process too.  She also currently, and I think it's worth a mention, she also currently has almost 5 million followers on Instagram. I can, of course, only be talking about the second most famous Pattison after the best-selling author, James himself. Yes. It's Vicky Pattison then everybody. Come on! Let’s get involved!

Vicky: Like, I almost feel embarrassed after that introduction. It was so nice! 

Jason: I tell you what, it's a great intro. I'll tell you, I'm going to bring you back down to earth and straight away.  First of all, thank you for being on as well. I'm obviously in a different country. This is what I love about technology! Recording this as we go, and we're in the middle of a lockdown still. So, we'll get on talk about that in a second, but to bring you back down to earth, as I was looking for your name's sake - who is the most famous Pattison? And there's quite… there's quite a few, I mean, there's Floyd Patterson, of course, who was an American professional boxer who competed, there's Pat Patterson. There's Simon Patterson, Carly Patterson, Gary Patterson. There's quite a few that you're, that you're there with.  But James Patterson stood out more than anything else. Now you've written a couple of books and an autobiography. Let me give you a lot of little stats on James. He sold 300 million books.

Vicky: Cool.

Jason: I'm unsure how well your books have done, Vicky,  I don't…

Vicky: I think I just came after him, just slightly.

Jason: I'm just really glad that there isn't another Vale writing books, quite frankly, otherwise I could never compete with that. He was the first person that a million eBooks. First person to ever do that anyway!

We're not here to talk about James. We're here to talk about the one and only Vicky Pattison. Actually, Vicky you've been on my podcast before, but you don't know it. 

Vicky: What the hell?

Jason: Yeah, I know weird, hey?

Vicky: You sneaky weasel! How could this happen?

Jason: Well, I wasn’t that sneaky. It just proves that your memory is as good as mine.  

Vicky: We did the interview for the mag?

Jason: Yeah. So, we were at Juicy Oasis. So Juicy Oasis - the health retreat in the centre of Portugal. Vicky came over there with her mum many years ago, been back several times since. But and we started recording an interview, it was going in my magazine, but at the same time, I thought I'd do the audio and then we can also get, I can start a podcast. I never had a podcast at the time. That that audio was completely lost. Do you know what though? I also recorded Gary Barlow, that was gone! 

Vicky: Oh! 

Jason: I know! There you go! But anyway, it is what it is, but we are where we are now. And obviously that would be dated now. So, look, Juicy Oasis?  holds a special place in your heart, but why is that? What do you think? What do you think there is about... what… what is it about the place?

Vicky: So, everyone who follows me on Instagram will know how much I wax lyrically about Juicy Oasis. And it is one of my favourite places in the world. I'm really honest about that. I think. We all, everybody knows this. We work so hard. We work a million miles an hour. Our lives are fast paced. We very rarely get a moment to take an introspective look at ourselves, to take our foot off the gas, so to speak and just relax and rest. And do things that our soul really needs. So like a couple times a year, I make sure I take myself off to Juicy Oasis, out in Portugal, and I just totally relax, recharge, reset, take a look at my life, work out what I like about what I'm doing maybe what I don’t. I use it to totally reflect. I nourish my mind, body and soul when I'm there. And there's just this amazing feeling about the place. Like the second I step in the door from the wonderful welcoming staff to, like, the whole vibe, the juicing, the exercising, the beautiful landscape. I mean, Jason saying it's not the most luxurious place, obviously he has lived! But it's five-star luxury. This place is just incredible. And it's, it's the best thing I do, all year. 

Jason: But of course, as you said many, many times before, because some people on Instagram misunderstand and they say, "Oh, it's a, it's about weight loss. You shouldn't live on juice." And they… and they attack. They're in the minority, but they do. And then you put them right, obviously! Because it isn't, it isn't about the juice for you, it's about it's this place it's about, like you said, stepping back, reflecting and nourishing, weirdly, your mind. Almost, almost the same as your body anywhere. And this is what often people don't realise. When I was writing some of the questions down. I thought, you know, we're going to talk about Juicy Oasis. Then I started looking at your history.  Not only were you in the jungle in Australia, I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here, but you won no less! Now, in order to win, it’s… it's an enormous feat, first of all, but what was the worst thing you ate?

Vicky: So weird! So, get on this, like, you, being the Juice Master yourself, well, will appreciate this one! I ate a whole heap of stuff. But probably the, the thing that stays with me to this day, was I drank blended camel penis. It was called a Schlong Island Iced Tea!

Jason: A Schlong Island, Iced Tea. And this is what? A blend… a blended what? Camel penis?

Vicky: Blended camel penis.

Jason: Why have I not done that?

Vicky: I don't know why your recipe book’s missing it, Jase?

Jason: At the time of recording, actually I'm on the... 'Lorraine' this Friday, but I'm thinking, well, they're looking for ideas, well, there you go! 

Vicky: Give the people what they are asking for, Jase!

Jason: It's what they want! It's a blended camel penis! And dare I even ask what it tasted like?

Vicky: I'm going to go with… grainy.

 Jason: I don't even know what to say to that, to be honest. Do you know what though? I'll tell you what. I mean most people, three days into Juicy Oasis with only juice, they would probably love it. I mean, who knows? They'd certainly love some witchy grubs, that's for sure! They'd probably eat some, witchy grubs en route, to say the least! Listen! Everybody has great intentions, right. So, lockdown came in, they thought, right, okay. Turn your lemons into lemonade. Right? What's the best thing we can do? So, at the beginning of this, most people said right. Here's what ...I'm going to learn a language. I'm going to write a book. I'm going to slim down. I'm going to do Joe Wicks every day. Nobody really did. They pretended to. I'm going to do that, whatever it is. You know what I mean? It just went on this thing where they go... Come on, let's be honest! I mean, a few people, a few kids jumped around on a Friday in a costume, but a lot of people didn't.  So, everyone's ... Well, you want the truth? You can't handle the truth.  The thing is we all had good intentions. So, my question is, bearing in mind, three quarters of the people that are coming out of lockdown are heavier than when they went in.  Three quarters. How has your diet and fitness been during lockdown? I mean, this is a passion of yours anyway, so I wouldn't have imagined it's gone too far the other way?

Vicky: I think God, those statistics do not surprise me at all. I'm the average woman and, I can totally relate, like. When I first went into lockdown I was like, oh my God, I am going to be fluent in Spanish. I'm going to be playing the cello. I'm going to have started a side hustle, like just watch me grow and evolve and become the best version of myself in front of everyone's eyes.

And of course, like I go to bed with all these great intentions every night. Like an abundance of brilliant ideas about how I'm going to work out and drink green juice and give birth to an avocado. And then by 11am the next morning I'm balls-deep in a family bag of Maltesers just watching Joe Wicks prance about on the tele!  This is hard!

Jason: Yeah, it is true. I mean, everybody thinks that all I do is live on nothing but juice as well. And the challenge is, even during lockdown, there's going to be times when you just think, do you know what? Because I think it highlighted the fact that ultimately we're not in control of anything. I think that's what lockdown really showed me anyway. I've been on this planet 51 years and I thought we had some control to some degree, but we didn't have... we have no control! We have no control over anything.

So, I think we suddenly realised I don't... they could literally pull the rug from us at any given point to do anything. So, I think a lot of people went, do you know what? Let's go and grab a glass of wine tonight. Let's get... when I say a glass of wine, alcohol consumption has gone through the roof! And I mean, it is quite extraordinary.

I mean, I know that, because one of your things... because you posted earlier this year, Big Goals for 2020. And it's interesting because everybody had big vision, 20-20 vision. And of course, no one, no one saw this coming! Nobody saw anything coming. But you put, so one of the big goals for 2020 was to finally get my personal training qualifications.

This is something I didn't realise. I've tried once before, but work schedule, and to be honest, just general life... is that... when you say general life, you just mean you couldn't be bothered, I love it! ... got in the way. I love you said general life got in the way. That means Netflix. However, this time I'm determined to succeed. I'm so passionate about health and fitness, and I'm a huge advocate for healthy body, leading to a healthy mind. Most days I'm not training in pursuit of a specific aesthetic, I'm training for me, for my mental health, my wellbeing, and a sense of catharsis it brings. Which is very true. A lot of people think that it's just for weight loss. But are you still pursuing your personal training goals?

Vicky: Oh, God, this is one of the things that, I mean, obviously everyone's struggling with lockdown for various different reasons, but I think this huge pause in the world. This is one of the hardest things for me to bear, aside from not seeing my family and everything and my friends. And the general uncertainty. We had to press pause on our, personal training qualifications, Jason. Yeah, we did level two. So, if you need me to take, say, a spin class...

Jason: Oh, you can do that at Juicy Oasis, can you? Can you do it? 

Vicky: Yeah. Oh, yes.

Jason: Listen, don't say that because I'm the kind of person, you know, when people often say, Oh, we'll have to meet up. We'll have to go for dinner. I say, or you have to fly over and come on holiday with me. I say to people, don't say that to me.

Because I'm the person that will say yes! Don't, don't... I will actually do it. I...

Vicky: Hold you to it!

Jason: So, you'll come to Juicy Oasis, and I'll say, right, there's a class with Vicky Pattison. Because she promised to do it, and you'll go, Oh no! I'll do it on day two of detox as well. So, you feel really bad! So, so I look forward to that, but I mean, it's something you want to pursue, right?

Vicky: Absolutely. So, level two is in the bag. Me and my fellow are super-pleased with ourselves. We've managed to do that. And, like, the second part, which is level three, it's just had to take a bit of a back seat.

So, yeah. So, we'll be starting as soon as, normal programming resumes! Yeah.

Jason: But you haven't kept quiet. You haven't... you haven't really kept quiet during lockdown, either, which is good, you know? And, and you're still keeping busy. I mean. You started your own podcast, which I wasn't aware of.

And I love the concept of it. It's called The Secret To. We were literally having the conversation before we started recording. So, I know very little other than The Secret To, and you were saying right, The Secret To, and one of the examples you gave was, I think, a Secret To A Successful Relationship During Lockdown. Now I tell you, well, if you've got the secret to that, then I think you should literally get a Nobel peace prize.  So, give us some of the subjects that you've spoken to people about at the moment on your podcast. Secret To...

Vicky: Oh, it's super-new, so like...it's just... it's forming. It's not like yours. Yours is really professional and established.

Jason: It's really not, though, is it? It's really not though, is it? I haven't done anything professional in my life, Vicky.

Vicky: Well, it's really good. I love your podcast! But no, this one's just... we're babies. We're just starting out. So, it's, yeah, Vicky Pattison's The Secret To...And every week we have a different guest, and they can tell us their Secret To... whatever they're passionate about, really. Or whatever fits their situation.

So, we had Jamie Laing and his lovely girlfriend, Sophie, and they talked about the secret to surviving love in lockdown. We had Giovanna Fletcher talking about surviving lockdown with little ones. Because she’s obviously got... 

Jason: I was going to say, she's got a...a brood. She's got a huge brood!

Vicky: Womb gremlins everywhere. Jason, they're all over the place.

Jason: Do you know...do you know what though? He comes across, and I don't… I've met Tom a couple of times. Don't know him that well. I know Giovanna again, but not overly well, but one thing that comes across, and I'm sure he is genuinely the Instagram version of himself, but, you know, I grew up without a father I just didn't know my dad at all. But, you know, if you could ever wish for a, for a dad, like I would think... I would love Tom to have been my dad. You know when you just think...like, I mean, can you ...because like you just see him all the time and you can't fake it this long. There's no way he's faking any of this.

I mean, and of course Giovanna is a phenomenal mother. They both bring different things to the table. So, so surviving lockdown with three kids, home-schooling, this...I bet ...I'm going to listen to that episode. That's for sure.

Vicky: Yeah. I mean, that's exactly one of the questions I asked, I straight away asked.  I was like, Tom just looks like such a peach to live with, is he? And she's like, Oh yeah, he's great. I think it's just nice to know. And this is the sort of beauty behind the podcast and why I wanted to do it. It's just nice to know that got people are going through the same thing as you, and I don't want anyone to feel any more alone than they probably already do in isolation.

So yeah, we're just... we're making people feel connected even when we're apart.

Jason: Yeah, but, but you know what? I think it's funny. Because lockdown is starting to lift. Obviously, there's going to be a new normal, whatever that ends up being. But I think what people are getting from it, the reflection that they're having from lockdown and, and again, this is not undermining the... the horribleness that has come around. Not only the people that have clearly lost their lives because of the disease itself, but also the problems that lockdown itself would have caused at the same time. Because there's huge amounts. So, we can only do what we can do to try and connect and try and gain something, as small as it is, from it.

A lot of people are having kind of moments of reflection, where they say, do you know what, I'm going to take some gratitude out of this. Are there any particular epiphanies or lessons that you've learned from lockdown or things that you feel differently about now than perhaps you didn't do beforehand? Has pausing helped you?

Vicky: Yeah, 110%. Like. I am... I've learned a lot about myself in lockdown and I really don't want to be one of these, like self-righteous wankers, and I don't want everyone to think I'm that person. I'm not. I just think, when you've been living your life so... at such a fast pace, which we're all guilty of, at one time or another, constantly just put pushing for that next achievement or saving for that next holiday or that next milestone within your relationship, whatever it is, you're constantly working towards on that hamster wheel of life.

Like we're not actually taking stock of our lives. We're not stopping to take a moment to realise all we've actually got, what we used to wish for years ago now, or we're not actually seeing like , I'm actually in such a privileged position that I'm really grateful, or we're not, we're not just being appreciative.

We're going too fast. And I'm so guilty that, Jason, so guilty of just going a million miles an hour and never once stopping to be grateful, or to smell the roses. And the only time I probably have a duty before off the gas is at... is at Juicy Oasis. And I think, although the circumstances haven't been great and I share all your sentiments about what a horrible situation this must have been for everybody, but that is a good thing to have come out of this for me.

I am learning to slow down.

Jason: And do you think, do you think, though,  anybody who's doing what we, not only just what we do, but anybody who's in business for themselves, anybody's got that... and I hate the word entrepreneur, it's a silly word, but you know, that kind of ...or that kind of gusto, if you will, the kind of gusto to kind of get up and try and make something of their lives in some way. They're looking at things, okay. Here is the ball game. What can I do? But do you think we'll be able to do this moving forward or do you think it would be like a bad car crash? In the sense that when you go past a bad car crash, you inevitably slow down because you become very conscious of your own driving, but as soon as it's out of your rear-view mirror, you speed up again.

I kind of know as soon as this is over, it's like, and it's trying to learn from that. So, do you think you will be able to take a few hours a day to actually turn your phone off and... but that's the thing, isn't it? The phone is now the new cigarette.

Vicky: Honestly, like, I'm listening to you talk there, and like me cogs are turning because for starters, that's a great analogy. But secondly, like I am worried Especially, like you say, there's, there's a change. Like we're moving from one version of lockdown into another slightly more relaxed version and things are starting to feel more normal.

And I am worrying. I am worrying that despite all my best intentions, when life picks up and I'm able to be really busy again, I'll just fall back into old habits, because what I've known for 31 years.

Jason: But is there any way that you could... like, I mean this would be the advice I'm giving to myself as well as you at the same time, but where you literally have a couple of hours every day, you just go, look, I'm allocating an hour in the morning  even if you have to get up an hour earlier, where you literally turn the phone off. Me and my Katie, now, we go out and we leave our phones. Now we haven't done that before. We've never done that. And we do that, and so we can be present with our little son, and for once, like, oh my God, we're actually present here.  Because we all crave connection. Everybody creates connection. Right. That's why phones are addictive because you pick them up and you constantly are looking, did somebody like the post?

If there's somebody who didn't like the post, which is even.... And does somebody not liked your post, I mean, Vicky, you can have 23,000 people like your post, but if you get one bad comment!  So is there any way that you can just go, do you know what, for a couple of hours, for just for mental health, more than anything else health, is there any lessons we can all have just say look one or two hours a day? What do you think?

Vicky: So, I mean, obviously, you know, you're exactly right. I think the... our obsession and addiction with our phones and social media and everything is a huge problem in society. Like, I am so afflicted myself and over the last six months or so, I've been working with a life coach, Jason, and he teaches me two things about, when this was trying to teach us about when this is all over. And the first one, and it relates to again, to your phone and having that peace of mind. So, in the morning, the first thing I used to do was roll over and grab my phone. And I wanted to check social media. Like you say, I want to know who likes me picture, who hadn't.

I want to see what everyone else was seeing and doing. And, before I'd had a chance to set my tone for the day, to build my castle walls, to prepare myself mentally and physically for whatever knocks that day would hold. I had already opened myself up to a world of criticism through social media and he says take that hour, he calls it Power Hour.

It sounds like it's what you and Katie have been doing, practicing yourselves, even without this advice. But it's just, take some time for yourself in the morning, first thing. Go for a walk, do meditation, practice yoga, have a nice breakfast, like read a book, whatever it is that relaxes you, whatever allows you to build your castle wall.

Jason: Well, when you say that you mean, you mean a green juice? Obviously. I mean, I know what you're saying! But when you say breakfast, I mean, I mean, I mean, you mean a Turbocharge Smoothie. I mean, I know exactly what you meant. 

Vicky: Get yourself a green goddess in you and crack on with your day!

Jason: But do you know, what's interesting to observe as well? You are one of the very few, and there, there are tiny, tiny handful that have managed to achieve what you've achieved,  there are very few, in fact, I can't really, I can name them in the music world, but I find it very difficult to name them in the reality TV world. So, you starred in Geordie Shore, for those of you who have never seen Geordie Shore, please don't!

Vicky:No fair!

Jason: I'm only joking. It was on MTV.  I know through talking to you, at Juicy Oasis and stuff, you did some things on that, that you regretted in particular because of, you know, just your relationship with your mom. You're so close and you felt ashamed by some of it.

But you learned so many lessons through it. And as you go on and you, you did some other reality TV shows, but you've done the transition. I just genuinely haven't seen. To become a panellist, for example, on Loose Women and...But to genuinely be a voice, so for nearly 5 million people on Instagram.

Not because you're wearing a particular bra that day, but because actually they are ..., no, but I mean, you know, a lot of people have got 10 million just because, you know, because they're wearing a bra, you know,  that's it. They've got... but actually, you show both sides to yourself. You are, it’s been overused, but you're real.  You've made that transition over where actually, you are now being a voice for some of the young teenage girls that potentially might be obsessed with their body or obsessed with this.

I feel you've been a voice of reason in amongst all of that, which is good to see. And I think that's why you have the following that you do. Was there a turning point where you felt that actually you were starting to be taken a little bit more seriously than just the Geordie Shore girl? Was there any... was there any defining moment or do you think it just happened gradually?

Vicky: So obviously leaving Geordie Shore was like a big leap of faith for me. Everyone told me like, you’re from Geordie Shore. Like, no, one's going to take you seriously. There's not going to be anything else for you out there. So…But I knew, I had to prove to myself that I was more than that. That there was a different side to me.

So, I left and luckily for me, that there wasn't long before I got the Jungle. And I think that was a huge step into taking me into a space where I actually felt comfortable. Where I could use my platform to inspire, and to do good things and to take me away from that old image.  and I will always be eternally grateful to ITV and that show, for allowing me to change people's perceptions of me. 

Jason: Well, because you can't act for three weeks, this is what they say. That's why...

Vicky: Not when you're hungry, Jason.

Jason: No, no, but like... no... but like places like the Big Brother house, people can put on a persona for a certain length of time, but you can only do it for a certain length of time. And they know that three weeks is an impossibility.

It just isn't. No, one's that good an actor? Well, you probably are, but, but, but you, you can't constantly act, especially, like you said, when you're that hungry. And I think you're right. That was the defining moment because people then warmed to you, didn't they? 

And it's funny how people hold certain people on a pedestal. It's a funny thing. Really, when they do that. But now there's ... You connect with people that want to connect with you, which is the good thing about the phones and social media. So, it's a funny thing, right?

Vicky: I think, yeah, social media is bittersweet. Isn't it? Like it's allowed us to feel super-close to like the whole world. And it can be used to inspire and motivate and spread positivity and exactly like you say, it let people know they're not alone. But sometimes it does have a downside and I think we just have to do our best to use our platforms to spread positivity.

Jason: Well, we'll talk, we'll talk, talking about spreading love, right, on social media. Right. Came as a surprise to me now, when I did the interview with Katie Piper, funnily enough, Piers Morgan came up, right. So, we started talking about

Vicky: Oh, no!

Jason: So, we started talking about Piers Morgan, right? So we... she was saying that she likes Piers Morgan. I said, well, funny enough. I said so, so do I. But that doesn't mean I like everything he does, which gets often misconstrued or this, that, and the other.  But now, of course, during lockdown, that view has slightly changed of mine, because I I've never seen anybody more divisive, and I got blocked by him as well. So that was interesting.

Vicky: No! What did you do?

Jason: I have never been blocked by anybody, ever. And I got blocked by Piers. I didn't do anything. I asked him a reasonable question. Genuinely I'm never aggressive to anybody. I'm never swearing.  I'm never, ever at all. So, I, it comes a real shock to me that when he got challenged about an opinion.

That's what it was just challenged by it that immediately... that his immediate resort was to block. And I just thought, oh, at least Piers Morgan noticed me. Now. So that's just the way it is. But I know that because I've got a little note where it just says Vicky Pattison is obsessed with Piers Morgan! Is this... where has this rumour come from?

Vicky: Oh, my God. So, I did… I did a fabulous magazine cover, throughout lockdown. And it was, it was, it was a lovely piece. It was all about the podcast and the isolation care packages. But they sort of said, like, they asked me what I, what my take on everything was. 

I just like that. He's putting people on the spot. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think so certain people who aren't being held accountable need to be, and he's doing a good job of that.

Jason: You see how, by the way, I forgot to mention it's not on the podcast. Forgot to mention it's politics and religion free.

I would love to say so much more, but I can't.  You see. We could have... we can have our own political debate and probably last for about an hour. And then I would probably lose half of my followers. So, I…sorry

Vicky: Let's keep it clean, Jason.

Jason: Because you remember this is... most people feel like this. And what I mean by that, you're allowed to have any opinion that you like you're allowed to have free speech providing that they agree with you. And if they don't, then you're not allowed to, it's a very strange concept.  

Vicky: Ricky Gervais says something, doesn't he, he says, I hate this culture where people say, oh, you can't say that anymore. It's like, you can say that. You can be anything 

Jason: and I've got a thing that offense is so ridiculous because offense can only be taken. It can never be given. It's an absolute 100% personal choice. To take offense. 

Vicky: I've never thought of it like that.

Jason: And we're all offended by different things. Some people are offended by boy bands. So you can't just ban boy bands because they're offended by boy bands. I happen to love boy bands, but that's a personal choice. But there you go. I think they're great, I don't care. I don't care anymore. I used to think, Oh, I better not tell people I like, boy bands. I freaking love boy bands.

Vicky: Right Jason, then top question:  Take That or Boyzone.

Jason: Look, when I'm on your podcast, maybe! I'm not answering any questions.

Vicky: Oh, no, you killjoy.

Jason: Of course, it's Take That! Yeah. Boyzone. They're not in, they're not even in the same league. I can't, I mean, that's, I mean, if you, if you had something weird, if you, I mean boy bands. Yes. Anyway, we could talk about boils forever.

I still think one of the best. Look Five Colours In Your... Five Colours In Her Hair by McFly is still one of the best tracks ever. That's all I'm saying, right? That's just the way, you know, the little bass riffs, three quarters of the way through. Anyway, I don't know why I'm talking about this. Listen. I know I am. I love it. Anyway, when I do spinning, it's mainly to boy bands. Weird boy bands in Nirvana just to show I've got an eclectic mix.

Vicky: Such a juxtaposition.

Jason: Do you know what? I never thought in a podcast with Vicky Patterson, I don't know why, that I'd hear the term, juxtaposition! But, but, but I have, and it's a great terminology. I think I only heard it for the first time, about three months ago. And I've been using it every week since. Because I have… I have never... Listen one thing I wanted to touch on, we're nearly finished so I've got to touch on a couple more bits. Okay. It flies. It just goes nowhere. Doesn't it. So, I read in, well actually I'm, I'm lying that I read this in Closer, online in 2019. I didn't.

Vicky: No.

Jason: Okay. It's just written on a piece of paper down for me. Okay. Summary

Vicky: I'll let you off.

Jason: It was reportedly diagnosed. This is you. You were reportedly diagnosed, with a rare Nocturnal Sleep-Related Eating Disorder, which was NS-RED that caused her to eat in the middle of the night and forget that she's done so. Is this going in the bollocks book?

Vicky: This is going straight in the bollock's book! Well, I blame the Daily Mail for this!

Jason: Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Yeah. Well, Closer Online. So, they're all the same.

Vicky: Must be picking it up from there. I did a post, honestly, where I was like... I just was having a bit of a bad day and I was, like, I've woken up and I've realised I've eaten Dorito's through the night again, which I can't remember. And obviously like some nights I just wander downstairs when I get snacky, that's all it is like, there's no, like, I'm really sorry for anyone who does suffer from this as a serious affliction, but it's not, sometimes I'm just a greedy sleeper.

Jason: Well, do you know what? The one... listen, the very, very, very, very, very few people on planet earth that do suffer from this. I'm with you. I feel sorry for them. However, after listening to this, there'll be a lot of people going, I didn't know that was a condition. Hang on, hang on a second. I've got NS- RED.

Vicky: Yeah, there'll be a lot of people self-diagnosing just because they like midnight snacks.

Jason: That would be it. They'd be going down. And then what? They wake up in the morning. They'll go... they'll look in the fridge the next day and go, I can't remember eating that. So therefore I've 

Vicky: Okay. 

Jason: I've got NS-RED. Already I know, listen by the way, already, I know underneath the podcast comments are people who are going to be going, by the way, my sister suffers with NS-RED. And do you know how much she s... Look, it's called humour. Okay. Just before we go any further. It's called humour. It's all good. Honestly, you can please some of the people some of the time, yada, yada, yada. Ooh, I see. So, I'm just reading stuff for the first time.  I didn't know you did a DVD. Seven Days To Be Slim on a DVD in 2013.  Yeah. So, fitness has really been part of, I mean, honestly, this has genuinely been a passion of yours for a long, long time. I am going to seek out that DVD.

Vicky: Oh, there's so much gold spandex, Jase! You'll love it

Jason: I'm going to 

Vicky: Right up your street?

Jason: I don't have a DVD player.

Vicky: No, nobody does anymore. I think mine was one of the last ones that slipped through the net before the fall of the DVD.

Jason: They're going to regret that though. Do you know what? Because the minute we don't have Wi-Fi and it all goes wrong, then we're going to go, man, I wish I'd DVDs, CDs. I'd stock up on them now. That's what I would do.

Vicky: You telling me there's going to be a comeback?

Jason: Well, if I think there will be. There's been a comeback with vinyl. There's been a comeback with, literally, cassette tape!

Vicky: Yeah?

Jason: Cassette tapes have made a comeback. 

Vicky: I used to love having a tape 

Jason: a lot of, yeah, but not as much as having an iPod , 

Vicky: no, 

Jason: hey? You know what? As I look at you now, I can see my vinyl record player as we're talking now. And I can see my vinyl records.

Have I ever used them? No, I've got Sonus now.

Vicky: But they look good! 

Jason: They look great. Listen, if we do it, of course this. And why do we buy cookbooks? Right? It's just so that we've got Jamie Nigella and Gordon on our shelf. That's it? Do you own any cookbooks?

Vicky: This is really weird, but I was just like, I was on my podcast this morning and then had to come over to do yours. And, they're like, oh my God, well, Jason do yours. I was like, absolutely. And the sound technician just went, Mother's got his book. I must make a note to tell Jason. Yeah!

Jason: Because I wondered who'd got it! I saw that one person that bought it, so I... Oh, you got the Blend Me! So, I actually, I'm watching Vicki on video now. She's just holding up Super Blend Me!  Anyway, we can talk about that on your podcast, not mine.

Oh, and you've got the cookbook Super Fast Food!

Vicky: Got the bookies. I'm a fan!

Jason: Oh, you see, I've only done, one cookbook, as in food cookbook. And I will never do another one, which I'll explain why on your podcast. But… but there you go. Because no one knows, why they keep asking. And I've never mentioned it. I will mention it for the first time when your podcast, why I will never do another food book ever again.

Vicky: Making a mental note and holding you to that!

Jason: A mental note of that. But no, but I I'm guilty, like most people, so I've got the, I've got the Jamie obviously. He's one of the best-selling, or the best-selling cookbook ever. And, you know, he brings them out very cleverly just in September. Everybody buys them for Christmas. And let me ask you a question, genuine truth, head on. Have you ever bought a Jamie, a Nigella or a Gordon book? Right? Because it just happened to be in the shop, and you had to get a Christmas present for somebody? 

Vicky: Absolutely. I must have. I must have at some point. Yeah, 

Jason: That'll do. That will do. It's like product... it's literally there in the aisle. And you're like, Well, I'll have that. I'll just pick that up. It could be anybody's. It doesn't matter, but you just picking it up and the person that you bought it for, would have made an average, by the way, it's true, of four recipes out of any cookbook over the years. The average person makes four in the UK.

The UK, also, little stat for you, buys twice as many cookbooks as any other country in the world, but also buys twice as many takeaways.

Vicky: No!

Jason: A little, little factoid for you. And we also, we use things like Bake-Off as our kind of visual food porn, but we don't, you know, so we watch cooking shows, but very rarely do we, do we do, do we make food at our home?

Listen,  I just want to say, look, before we end this anyway. No doubt. Hopefully when we're in the studio together, in about six months and we are part two of the podcast.  Because this is, this is very lockdown-, kind of, friendly. But you know, I have genuinely been looking.

And I, and again, it's a funny one with lockdown, because I wrote a book called Create Magic. And in the second chapter, it's the Joey Tribbiani rule, which means...  which is the definition is there's no such thing as a selfless good deed. Because there isn't, obviously. That doesn't mean not to do them though. And the point is, is that when people are clapping for carers at eight o'clock on a Thursday night and you know, some people have been hammered for doing that, and you're like well, and they're going, oh, look at you, or look at me, clapping for, you know, and they're doing all that.

But actually, so what, we're all doing it and equally, like, you know, you were doing some packages for the elderly, you and your fellow. I mean, amazing work that you were doing there for Age UK and setting up a crowdfunding page, doing all that. And most people are positive about anything positive that anybody was trying to do. Now, of course, the reason why we do it is because it makes you feel good, right!

Vicky: Yeah,

Jason: It makes you feel good. That's why we do it. It makes us feel good. So we can either try and make ourselves feel good by doing something negative on Twitter. I've gone off Twitter. Twitter's too evil. So I've gone off Twitter. So Twitter, well, Twitter is just an evil place and, Instagram is quite nice. So that's the way I look at it.

Vicky: You've got to protect your mental health, Jason, man. You've got to put yourself first sometimes.

Jason: Honestly, you've just got to ...it's just how it is, isn't it? Well look, I hope when this all lifts and hopefully that the air corridor opens up, I'm hoping that, one of the first places that you jump on a plane to, my lovely, is back to juicy Oasis. Your second home. I'd love to see you back out there.

Vicky: Honestly, I've missed you so much. Just when I heard your little voice the other day, I was so happy! You're just… 

Jason: And your lovely mother as well, honestly, do you know what I'm going to say this, and I know I don't care, right? Because you will probably be embarrassed by it, but I always say, you always know somebody's true intentions and who they really are when they're not watching. Right. This is what, how I really feel about people.

And there was one, one of the reasons why not only have I kept in contact with you over the years but why I genuinely talk wax lyrical and anybody saying, Oh, that's Geordie Shore girl. And I genuinely stick up for you every time for, for good reason. And it's because we were all having soup at Juicy Oasis, and there's all the bowls.

And I mentioned this before, but it said so much about a person. That when they don't know anybody's watching and every night it wasn't even one night, I watched you over a few days. Every time soup had finished, you went over to other people's tables, you were collecting their bowls. You were taking them to the... inside the kitchen. You even at one point went and knocked on the kitchen door, is there anything else you could do to help? Like you were going to wash up, or you were going to do this.

I could see this happening every day. I could see around the pool where you just tidy stuff up. I could see you just straightening cushions. I could see you doing this. I could just go. Do you know what though?

This is somebody's default. And I say to people before they, they, they listen to podcasts. And if people read the text that I put before you listen to this podcast, you will see what I've written as well. So, so hopefully that's one of the reasons why you decided to listen. I did this with Tommy Mallet because Tommy Mallet was of TOWIE fame.

But he's also one of the ones that's done the transition, very rarely, but he's so... And people go, Oh, that TOWIE guy! And you go, don't dismiss people based on a television show they did. And I've learned not to do that.  So, I just wanted to weigh in with people, knowing that the real Vicky Patterson, your, your, your heart is as huge as it possibly gets.

It really is. You care so much about other human beings and you really care about anything that anybody puts that kind of negative or anything else. You're just trying to have a go that's all you're doing. You're trying to... everyone is just trying to have a go in this board game of life.

That's all you're trying to do. Yeah. So, what you're trying to do, so thank you so much for taking the time to be on. I really appreciate it as well. and, and for sharing this really good and I can't wait to be on, on your, podcast Vicky Pattison, which is The Secret To

Vicky: and that's correct, hopefully having you on soon, Jason.

Jason: The Secret To, yes, that'd be interesting.

Well, there's no more to say everybody. It is, of course, share this with as many people as you possibly can, so people can get to know the real Vicky. It is, of course the one, the only Vicky Pattison, everybody! Come on!