Jason Vale's Podcast
Jason Vale's Podcast
Getting The Juice With: Lorraine Kelly
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Jason Vale is joined by the queen of daytime TV, Lorraine Kelly, at the Juicy Oasis health retreat in Portugal to chat about diet, physical and mental health, and who the worst person she ever interviewed was!
Listen, thanks for joining us. What are you doing? You're on the run. You might be snowboarding, you might be cooking for the kids, or you might have just put your headphones on at home just escaping from a very annoying person, but whatever you're doing, thanks for joining us and thanks for keeping uscompany. My guest today needs no introduction at all. Actually, I take that back! We're on a podcast, so that's not really going to work is it? Actually they do need an introduction, but they don't need much of an introduction. There are certain people that their first name alone and you immediately know who we talking about. In the UK, for example, if I was to say, Jamie, you would immediately say Oliver, if I said Nigella, you would immediately say Lawson. If I said Oggie, Oggie, Oggie, you'd say Oi, Oi, Oi! No relevance at all, that last one, but still! I'm going to say a word now and you will immediately know who I'm talking about. Lorraine. Yes, indeed. I am joined as my guest today. I can't believe it either. The second most famous Lorraine in the country after quiche it's Lorraine Kelly! Hello Lorraine Kelly! Joining us.... I put you second billing to quiche – bit harsh.
LorraineNo, it's fine!
JasonBut there you go. As I do with all my podcasts, I don't really research until literally just before we're recording, I have learned so much about you in the last 10 minutes before you've popped in here. Well that... I'm sure we're – listen, I tell you what, well I'm sure we can learn a lot more. Those of you just tuning in for the first time and you think, oh, is Jason Vale podcast? You think it's about juicing. It's about health. This is called getting the juice, this is, this is also about getting a little bit of gossip and there's no question. Lorraine Kelly is on our televisions for a long, long, long, long time. I think I've be watching you for over 20 years. You've interviewed just about everybody and on on that front. Before we get into the health front, I want to talk about interviews. I feel a little intimidated.
LorraineOh, don't be daft!
JasonLet me tell you why. Let me tell you why. I am attempting and it will be attempting to interview the interview queen of daytime television in the United Kingdom. I honestly feel like I'm on a football pitch with David Beckham.
LorraineOh Gosh.
JasonSo, so that's what I thought. So I'm happy to kick a ball about, but I'm also happy. So if you, if you're listening, you think it's Lorraine. Oh I'll definitely listen to that podcast because actually I really love Lorraine Kelly and actually it'll be a good interview. If it is, it's down to Lorraine. For those who don't know, we're recording this at Juicy Oasis. My second home. We're in the heart of Portugal. Literally you could take a map of Portugal when you put it in the middle is your first time here?
LorraineGorgeous!
JasonYes. I was going to say, what are your first impressions for most people's Tommy Cooper? I guess easy to do, but I mean where you're from, what your first impressions of this place?
LorraineI think stepping in here. The stress oozes out of your body it really does and the people are a delight. I mean all your staff are a delete, but all the girls and the boys that I've have met, you know, it's great, you talk to lots of different people and they've all get interesting studies and they've all got different, you know, reasons for being here and it's just, yeah, it's stress free.
JasonSo listen, I want to get little bit gossip. You've interviewed just about everybody.
LorraineYeah.
JasonUm, controversial, first question I guess, but let's be as honest as we can here.
LorraineSure!
JasonEamonn Holmes, right?
LorraineYes.
JasonHe categorically says the worst interview he's ever done was with David Blaine.
LorraineOh I remember that!
JasonWell, listen, if you haven't seen it, if you're listening to this and you haven't seen it, go and get it after you listen to this. It's on youtube and he draws an eye on the palm of his hand.
LorraineNot Eamonn.
JasonThat's a very good point! That would be a little bit weird, wouldn't it? It was David Blaine that, did it? And he said no, he didn't say anything.
LorraineNightmare!
JasonTo interview somebody that doesn't say anything would be an... Well already you've said more than David Blaine has said the entire interview. So who would be your... Who was the one that you thought, oh that was, that was hard. But like... It's probably been more than one but
LorraineThere has been more than one. It's difficult when it's somebody that you really like or you really admire their work and you think, oh that's going to be great. I was so excited about interviewing Harrison Ford cause I love Blade Runner, it was one of my favorite films I'm a reall kinda a geek. And he was really awful! And it wasn't, I mean, it was difficult. It was clearly you no what it's like, they make a movie, he wasn't particularly keen on the movie, I don't think. But he was just bored. Now I get that! He has probably done a hundred interviews. Been asked the same questions over and over again. But you know, when you been sent to them you say "Hi. You know, it was lovely to meet you. I love your movies. Blade Runner – fantastic and you get nothing.
JasonNothing!
LorraineJust a shrug of the shoulders and that's fine. That's okay. So I thought it oh right! This is going to be quite hard work. And first thing I said to him was, in this movie you do all of you own stunts, you didn't have anyone else doing that. No I didn't! And then you go Ohhhhh! I said, you know the actual, the information that your film company have given me, that that's what he said. I don't do stunts. I do physical acting!
JasonOh you already know. You know at that point it's!
LorraineYou do! It's not going to go wll. And he was just grumpy and I get that. But on the other hand, if you're go and interview someone like Hugh Jackman or somebody like Tom Hanks who again, have been asked the same questions over and over again in every corner of the globe, they're a delight because it's part of the job. So they says, cause I said afterwards, particularly Hugh Jackman, I said thank you, you made that so easy for everyone and everyone's having a great time. And he's like, well I've got to do this. So it might as well be fun.
JasonI think sometimes they don't really, I mean someone like Harrison Ford who would have been paid an enormous amount of money to make the film. Yes, I'm part of that. The deal is very clear that you do junkets and yes, you're saying the same things and often it's the same questions that are being asked, but the amount of money that you've just been paid, surely you're still smiling whatever the question is!
LorraineThey're sitting in like, they've over taken the whole floor of the poshest hotel in London. They're sitting there with all this beautiful designer clothes. Somebody fixed, their hair they don't have to do anything.
JasonAll they've done is sit down.
LorraineJust be a wee bit bit entertaining.
JasonSome of them I'm sure.
LorraineNot even that, just being civil
JasonLike Harrison Ford, he's thinking, you know, if I had a dollar for every time I was asked that question, well you had about $100,000 for every time you,
LorraineI tell you who the worst though. Kevin Spacey was the worst, very much so. He was really horrible and he was horrible to everyone. Not just to me. It was, I can't pinpoint you exactly what he did. He didn't sort of see anything offensive. It was just his manner. Know the way you would say to someone, oh, can I have a cup of tea, please? Yeah. Coffee! Like that tosome be lassie. That's and how dare he treat someone like that, how dare he treat anybody like that. That was just before all of the allegations have come at, which of course he's denied, but it was just very interesting because nobody cried when that happened.
JasonNo, they didn't do that.
LorraineYeah.
JasonThat's some of the worst you'd done.
LorraineYeah.
JasonWho's the... you mentioned to Hugh Jackman as one of the best
LorraineHe's an angel that has floated down from heaven. Buzz Aldrin. The second man in the moon.
JasonYes.
LorraineOh my goodness me. I can't believe it's the worst interview I've ever done because I was just fan girling. I was just going, oh my gosh, youre Buzz Aldrin and you'd been on the moon la La la. It's just nonsense coming at him. And I knew, but he was so lovely. And so any had a tee shirt on saying, we've got to get to Mars, which is one of the things I'm very passionate about. And it was just amazing to talk to somebody who's actually been on the moon!
JasonDid you want to say to, do you know what, if I was to interview Buzz, I would say to them, right, there's, there's a, there's a few of you on, on the moon, right? So if I said to you now, or even the listeners listening now, and said, who's the third man on the moon? You haven't got a clue. Right? Right, we know one and two, right? Cause yeah, that, that's it. I mean if I was on that ship thing, I think they call it a spacecraft, whatever it is...
LorraineApollo 11
JasonWhatever it was. I am as thick as a whale omelet, right? Okay. So Apollo11 so, and you land and you imagined, but I just imagine conversations. So all of a sudden you got Neil, right? So Neil goes, listen, I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll just pop out. I'll pop out. And I'll see what's down there. Buzz, Buzz would go, no, you're not. Are you crazy? Do you need
LorraineAnd then poor Michael Collins didn't even get on the moon, he just had to go round and round and wait for them.
JasonNo!
LorraineI know!
JasonWho?
LorraineMichael Collins
JasonThat's what I'm saying! Who's he the orbit guy?
LorraineHe was the the poor soul that, he was the one that, I mean if he hadn't been there, they wouldn't have got back out so
JasonYeah but no one knows him
LorraineI know!
JasonThey would've got back out and noone knows him. So, but buzz buzz into orbit like Neil got all the limelight didn't he?
LorraineI don't think they were friends, no, exactly bosom and buddies, but Buzz was, the Buzz was the kind of the real kind of I suppose all the all American Hero with you like. Neil was was very, very quiet. There's that movie First Man, which is really good film to watch and he's very, he was very sort of buttoned up and he wasn't really that fun. Where as Buzz was the showman.
JasonHe should have been the first one on the moon. Then said something more poignant. But Neil did all right. He was, he was quite famous on that. Well, I was surprised that this was one of the things, I've got the sheet here that I was reading, but on that was things like, I didn't know how close to your heart space travel was
Speaker 2from a kid from, I was five metabolite my first telescope and it was five years old and I've watched him in landings with hem is tane and it was just, yeah, it's just something I've always been interested in. And I'm a, I'm a real Saifai Geek as well, like really geeky let and websites and things
Jasonand chat rooms are do really well. They know it's, you all use incognito Posner. They must've thought you type in your name is Lorraine, but when you're young and watch it, it was real. It was fantastic. And Mr Spock is may heal. And I actually misspoke. I would Maddie, he was my first crush. I do wear Mr spoke. Would you interview him? Well, I was lucky enough to interview the man who played Mr spoke. That was incredible. Tend to be him. That was an absolutely. I've not, I've not interviewed the Shatner, I've not interviewed him. I'd love to is completely hilarious. Is he on your list? If you've got a list of things big right. Look, I've got to hit because I know that is, am I right in saying that David Bowie was on your number one listing totally tote and you just never sure. A huge fan again from a kid from space odyssey that just suck. Of course. Mostly I suppose. Got to just put space in the title. Oh Gosh. He was a genius, wasn't he? He was a genius and and enter. We maybe a space that I didn't ever meet him because he was my absolute heat or some, perhaps it was or Ricky Gervais says he did me. We all need refrigeration. Of course. An extra, he was in extras and, and it didn't burst any bubbles at all. That made was Ricky. Anyway, he was. He was. He was as genius Bayside laws at the time. Really? What homicide, who's on your hit list? Who? James. I'd love to interview Michelle Obama have to do that. It'll be the left interior. Abbott love to interview. The Queen. Of course you can't. You can't. You know what she does, she doesn't give it to you. So we've got six doesn't do it, but wouldn't it be great to actually send it to you, the queen properly and say, hey, what did you really think about this and that and whatever and what tells a bit down and tells me that and what have God's best. She wouldn't be able to answer anything. No comment all the way through. I know she spent a cool in Norco. I mean she's, that's, she's never said anything about it. And the very second she does though, it all, it all goes a little bit of a who are, so I was reading by, but where this, where your show started Lorraina you've been presenting for God knows how many years have you kissed softly. BBC, Scotland as a researcher it says here it says joint Itvs TV. Am I remember that report and diamond? Yes. Roland dry did a fitness DVD without diamonds. No, no. That's okay. My Gosh, I've got a dick that out. No, don't please, please nobody. Take that out. Do not dig it out. It was done in a way I photo, I've got a storage growing up. I'd feel like I can't say I, I actually, I don't think I can. Yeah, just to be one of the first ones they view. It was, I did well. I did one with Katie price after the birth of her second child. We did juicing for about three months. I've actually lived in a house. I live around the corner for about three months. I can't believe after seeing the on diamond one, they wanted me to do another one proper. Well, you've done a couple. I used something. I've read that this morning as well. I did one with Max with Maxine joins. Who's Ma? I like Maxie Jones by the way. Tashi uh, by the way, she's been timed out you to say anything. You two have got an edge. Yeah. She is very naughty. You to a, I know. If you two went away in Cognito somewhere, yes. I think youtube in trouble with Tom. I think you follow those hundred days. I think you two do faces very well. Oh
Speaker 2cool. I didn't know that. That would be a good thing. [inaudible] that's what she basically, she was just the neatest class. I looked up and I'd be up need to spend this class. I need to do something and there should always church hall a fiver and we basically did it Jason, because people were seeing or you look really bad, you're enjoying yourself, you're having fun. We've seen all these sweaty selfies. You have immediate and disabled and, but the, the class is just in London and we live in Aberdeen or we'd love to be diverse so we can, so basically all we did was put on DVD or class. That's all we did. Just real, just kept it view, you know, we've all the Arab sweaty and hot and bothered along a bit.
JasonDo people do say you look well look, we're here at Ucla. He says, would you sing for a week?
Speaker 2Do you know what? I'm amazed I'll do a few hump day. I thought I would be eating this snippets off the windows.
JasonIt is the uncle in the conditioner. No, I don't feel hungry. Why? Most people overfed and undernourished. Your body will do anything. It can to access genuine nutrition. And so when you have something that is void in some area of all of the nutrients the human body requires, it will continue to send a message to the brain to say, I haven't actually been fed. So it creates almost an additional hunger. So actually less ironically is more something like you're really well put together. Um, blend, freshly extracted juice, a little bit of avocado. You've got this, the fats in there to help regulate the appetite. Everything else. They've now started to squash these deodorants so they now half the size. Yes. Um, and it's a bit like that shit with food for good analogy. So when you see something like a white bread in particular, because that's a good analogy for most people because he's empty in many areas. It doesn't mean the zero nutrition in, I mean there's nutrition and everything. I'm a strong believer in that. When people say there's, um, there's no such thing as bad food, they get on their high horse. And I agree with that in developing countries, you know, then a miles boss, fantastic. Any food is genuinely brilliant and it really is. But when you have a choice, there is such a divide between good and bad food and, and sometimes with victims of it. When you said to me, you're 60 this year and I'm, and I don't do false flattery. I mean you look unbudged stupid. Lievable I'm too, I'm going to do, I'm going to sit where you are. You can sit up here because I think people should just follow what y'all do. What are you doing? Would
Speaker 2do it. I just, it's the thing that I said to you, I just need a restart and just feeling a bit like we all get a little bit like that. Just a bit tired. You know, Christmas is great, but we often doge and meat and especially women have killed themselves, you know, chained to meet everything here fixed, which of course nothing evidenced pair, fixed paraffin. It'd be boring. So I'm just, yeah, it's just that thing of you just, you know, I don't want to go down. That's the piece slope. I just want to maintain what I've got and it's, you know, loosen. We as just part of the study and losing weight is hard to be keeping me off and keeping healthy as hard. Yeah, it's hard and it shouldn't be hard, you know? But you can get what I think is happened this week, it's just that we switched his clicked. Yeah, we, I'm, I'm like
Jasonnot seeing Ibu not have that biscuit just in a warrant. That biscuit actually, you can just keep it at a warranty and before you'd, rather than having to go through the fridge and take all the chocolate owed, cause you're going to eat it, keep it there, keep it there and doing led to be an enemy. And you know more if you actually did want to be a bit of it is vain. But don't you really asking yourself as queer, that is the ultimate non dieting mindset. As I've said for years. Eat diets, eat them. Jason will die. Who's a mentality? I see. And this is the thing that people don't understand. So when people come here, because they'll be some people that of course would the unsocial media, they call it social media or on social media. No doubt. Somebody's going to hear that you've been juicing for a week. You can only imagine some of the honor educated backlash that the headline read as I call them, they won't understand in the same way. The analogy I always give is if you put your car in for service, nobody trolls you to say, what are you doing? Are you an idiot? I mean it would be if that, that'll be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If they did that, if they also said, well you can't, you can't leave your car in there. It's not sustainable. I've got no intention of leaving my car in the garage, but it's going to drive better if I put it in for a service. And people understood that that's what people do when they come here. So I'm not into Juicera aneurysm, jigsaw, Drexciya, whatever these stupid terms are. People say, you know, well it's not normal to live on juice for a week. And I see you, what's not normal to live on Pringles either. So, so we're finding the balance and by the time you leave here, do you, cause a lot of people think, oh it's only about the juice, it's white knuckle ride by the time you leave here. Do you think actually the last thing you leave and remember is the Jews. I think that's I think is a big part of it and in that sense when you're here. But actually what I'll take a wee is things like, you know, just being a bit more maintainable a bit what you eat, saying be a bit more mindful about the exercise you're doing and actually listen to people and be kingdom. Yeah, I think, well you don't know if you can be kind of the Lord y'all we, she was talking just before you came in and Alex said get controversial. Why is she so nice to everybody? Because she is not, I mean that's the thing. The thing is the coming onto my show, it's like they're coming into my house and even if it's somebody that I'm with to come, she's in my house so I'm not going to be horrible to at Ama. But at the same team, you can ask questions, you can ask difficult questions, but you can ask them in any sweet or you can ask difficult questions. Anybody you've won, it's a punch though. You just the opposite. I mean before the k one you want, I just want to punch him to be honest. I would tell anybody on a bit of anybody in a pad from Kitty Hawkins and, well that's good. I've got some hope then I might get on that show. No, you might. Sorry, the UK are far, far, far, far. There you go. Pitching myself on the, on the podcast. How very rude. I've been saying that at all. Did you choose before you came here? There's nothing like that. I mean obviously I've got one of those, the ability things and I do, I've got Wendy's, me blend, did he things and sometimes we have that in the morning at the became as you know, just through some fluke Indian or something. And we do, you know, my husband, I do check to eat healthily. The only thing about him is he's a brilliant, cute bar. The trouble is
Speaker 2giant portions. So I will sometimes look at him and think he is cooking for a family or sex and it's so fantastic that I actually eat. Oh, so that's, it's that, you know, that's the message I'm going to take to him. His bail is just no such big portions of this amazing growth and it's good food. To me it's okay. Yeah, she's punishing, you know, Kelly's from scratch and all of that. It's all really,
Jasonbut it's also though is the volume of food that we, but also the also the mindset, like you said, do you need to be in a position, if you're going to move away from a diet mentality, then you should have stuff in the cupboard. Should have went for six years of being completely clear. I mean like I was, uh, I was wheat free, dairy free, sugar free, gluten free friends free. I was personnel, I was personality free and the, and this is the challenge, but I think I had to go through that given where I was, I was in such a bad place and now I consider myself to be normal but didn't even have tea or coffee in my house because I would think no. If you want to poison yourself, do it yourself. I mean I was so, I'm God, no wonder. I know friends. Um, you know, like why would you invite me to a barbecue? No, I wouldn't do it. But to be able to look at somebody's eating junk but have no desire for it. That's the holy grail because that's what we were looking to do is reset. What we find is at the end of a week like this is at the end of it, you are hungry, you'll find this out, but you're going to want salad. You're going to want lean proteins are going to want this rather than rubbish. Yeah. Decent food rather than rubbish because of, cause you do a lot of stuff on the road, on your show. We January's everything else. Do you get a say in that or is it sometimes the producers or whatever come out, right, we're having this person for a six week challenge or
Speaker 2not really. I mean, it is a democracy. I mean, if found was absolutely against something or there was somebody that I didn't want to have on the shortlist, Katie Hopkins for example, I would not have on my shoulder because you just will read you and then they never were you in. But then everybody, you know, so we do, we, it is a democracy, but we wouldn't do anything that I wasn't behind or the, I didn't feel that, you know, that was very, I mean, for example, we've been talking a lot about the menopause and interestingly talking to a lot with the girls on the walk d um, a lot that goes, we're going through that and we were able to create, to be able to know, have a conversation about that because that was taboo before, you know, and that's when I think sometimes detain tele can do an awful lot of goods by talking about things like that. When I started, you mentioned TVM and I started at TV and you couldn't even see the word cancer, it was called. So you know, it was called the big C. Nobody did anything on cancer. It was never talked about. And then I remember if they breathe, women called Matochkin who was a lovely entity. No, amazing. Yeah, you definitely go to, and she came on to talk about, sadly died of cancer, but saw, believe and came on to talk about how to experience. And that was the first time that ever happened and it was on [inaudible] Tayley. So it kind of, you know, as trio believes in, in a way we can tell, you know, when people make c or there's somebody, you know, we're doing a, uh, a young man from a love island was checking his Jane and he was checking his bets and it turns out he saved, like you've seen it. We have, Gosh,
Jasondetainment genital and we've hired women on union. Dr Haley's showing you how to take your place and there's check everything and it does save lace. And that's amazing. It's doing the same now with those in the same? No, with mental health isn't it? It's the much, very much so. Very much so and mental health. The only thing I would see as, I think it's old eight to be anxious because I think that's part of the human condition is to be anxious and to be, you know what? Eat and things like that. Not Bit. It's when it lasts a long time and it's impacting on your life negatively. That's when you need to do something. I agree with that and it's great to be anxious about beyond door. At my, I have a very clear position on this, but when somebody says they talk about their physical health nine times out of 10 the minute they mentioned the words physical health, they think something is positive. The very second you mentioned mental health. Why is the assumption immediately that we have negative mental health? I don't understand that concept. I also don't understand that I'm, as we speak, actually I've torn my calf muscle. I know for certain that calf muscle or here and that's a physical, is it possible by that same rationale that sometimes we can get a bump mentally, that's all it is, is a pump and I sometimes think they're dangerous if we feed it too much, if we become a victim of it too much. I'm not on the on the same wavelength as your friend Piers Morgan, but I do think that actually can be a self fulfilling prophecy and you know I, I think about when I was 30 I had everything taken away from me and I went into what I could only describe as depression. Big difference between not feeling well and depression will absolutely, it seems with which I've had suicidal thoughts and actually when you reach 50 60 whatever, I know very huge few humans at some point if they haven't had some challenges along the way that haven't at some point I just, so yeah, I just felt horrible. I think the great thing is though that actually talking about it because before you just didn't, I mean you mentioned peers and peers, his attitude as man up, he's got Beta Nova thing that he's actually TBC, but I don't mind. I know it's controversial, but I don't mind those, those types of terminology. But if you then that situation, somebody tells you to do that. If the wall was the worst, if you're there, you don't need that. No, you don't. Yes. The last thing people just to see, it's almost like giving them out. It's just given me my cuddle. It's just, it's this of know everybody's on their phones and they're not talking to one another and you know, people know you're there, but taught bimodal pin talk a bit things. Yeah, yeah, that's great. But just pick, take your head up from your phone. There's a great video on youtube called look up and if you're saying it's breaks your heart, you know, people have got stop and people have got to be more open and more sympathetic. Took everybody who's going through our club team no matter how bad or good because for them at that point in their lives, it's awful. You have to be there to give them my time and I think I give them a year and just give them an there, give him a listen instead of just saying, well there's people in other parts of all that have it worse, doesn't help anybody. It doesn't help because it's an index cause it's your individual crap that you're going through and actually talking to mental health as well that everything that you put into body affects head office, head office is mental health. That's where it is. So it means that the every all forms of nutrition pass through the big guy, the head, the head Honcho. So therefore isn't it possible if somebody's pickled physically? Cause sometimes you can't. If you're, if you're, if you're having something that's lacking nutrients physically and you're feeling it physically, there's no question it affects your mental health. It's a knock on effect to not address diet and exercise as almost one of the first. I know it's a vicious circle to say exercise the quickest thing to Gav and then, well you can see many people, we can't be bothered to exercise that says you've got to get them out first so that we'll use that. People use exercise to really, really help me, you know is Tampa. I was on her show three times. Not in a bad way cause the expert I was years ago, years and years ago. Yeah they, she, she suffered a law and she used exercise and it saved only exercise. You get into it, you can get past the first three days. If you do it consistently for three days and you get past it and you do and you then it becomes a thing and it gives you an EAM and it gives you a goal and you just asked me, she said it'd be absolutely free but if you're lacking potassium, iodine, if you're lacking protein, it's going to affect the way you think. And there's no, we can see clearly with alcohol, we know that when has been on the binge the night before that actually if you ask them to almost do anything to follow them, they can't do it the same way that they did. So is it possible that most people are walking through life with a food hangover? I, my argument is that they are, do you know that hadn't been thought of in that a food hangover? Yeah, Ashley Ray. Cause Y'all know if you've heard me Phillip just mistaken then that's a food hangover they drink as well. But him. But that is your rate. I've never thought about having enough. No, I wrote about in my very first book, and I, and I've mentioned it since today actually, we're a little bit, it's an amazing thing. That's an extraordinary, the even coin. So because when you're, or when you're on this, I've never know, you'll be on for six [inaudible] juice or, or you know, Nice Salads or whatever the case is and you're eating fairly well, you feel sharper the next day. There's no question. Absolutely. There might be some people listening go. Not always, well not always anything because there's going to be, but the vast majority of time I didn't feel a bit a little bit sharper. But you're also, when I was reading your stuff this morning as well, I didn't realize how many books you've written, how many DVDs you'd done and in particular how many books you've done on the subject of health in particular for kids. Which I did, but that wasn't me. I, that's because I didn't know anything when I had my baby girl who's now 24 but I didn't know anything at all. And it was, it was, I was finding out and I was making mistakes and I just thought also that everybody else that has a baby, you just think you've got this beautiful pure little thing that you can't shove it fill of horrible stuff. You know, you really, you just come on. I mean you've got to make sure it's absolutely, you say you can't and you know what people do. They do know. But they knew me on, she's had, you know, she had fish fingers and all that. And your [inaudible] you see, I mean my, as we're recording this at the moment, my son, uh, JJ is 10 months old. He's literally just turned 10 months old. So we were going through the kind of weaning and baby led weaning now, which is all fashionable, but we like it. We like just kind of banana up and, and he picks it up and it has been doing for the last couple of months and he kind of feeds himself and has done always from the stock. But there's all, all, all different schools of thought. But I think we can all collectively agree, don't give your kid a Pringle. And it's frightening to see. I want in a young one. I mean I'm talking about a kid below one having cocacola. I mean I'm not be, but that's the thing and that's the reaction is often it is a form of, and I, and I think it's also, there is a form of lack of education too. And I, and I don't believe in my heart, in my heart of hearts that that that person, I saw that mother that I saw. The natural thing is to protect your child and I'm doing, I think it's just naive it. Yeah. I really don't. I don't, I don't think that there's a picture of his treating actual child to be, I think they know what they're doing with child abuse and I think feeding, they think, oh, I'll give you some sugar because it needs some sugar. Who is happier with with coke or whatever. Call today's because now hooked. That's why it is. So whether it's the rain Kelly's baby and toddler eating plan or whether it's the rain Chetty's junk free children's eating plan or whether it's, you made me that, oh yeah, my guys, for a women you've done that as well. If I guarantee the recipes that are in that book, they are free from refined sugar. They're free. Yeah, of course. You know, without doing, absolutely. And that was a long time ago. Yeah. You know, it really was. Would you? Would you, would you do it again? Would you do something like that again? I've, I probably would. I mean I think it is for me it's always about the team of my leaflet come in. You know, that was then because um, because I had a little one in that kind of make sense then. But it is something I feel very passionate about and, and I think we, you can make changes to your leaf that are so small that will change everything just by, just by cutting don't, I mean we're not seeing that we're not the food police. No, I know, but we're not, it's just trying to see two people and that's what I try to do in the shore. It's all a bit balanced. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love takeaway candies and booze. Yeah. What's your numbers on that front? What's your nemesis? What would you say? Food and drink. Nemesis fit and Jake name misses aim rage. Dwayne and any sort of Cottey any sort of Cottey really? Oh, I love it. I love covers a healthy, you can get healthy, you can make you make yourself. Steve makes has Cody's then the idea that the only reason why they slightly unhealthy when Steve makes them known. Steve, if you're listening, I'm sure they're lovely. It's because, because he makes a phone in a bath. He makes it in the bath. Some intention. Your dealers in the bar, he didn't just show just the vote. He means, well, he does mean [inaudible] does it, but listen, the fact that you've got somebody cooking for you is after me. It was only because I can't do it pretty much. I'm not very good. I think the time is right. Have you ever had, uh, people at Annabel Karma on your show? She, yeah, she's a tube. Liza. She was the one before. Yes, she was. Well, she's going to be on an upcoming podcast as well. I had a conversation with her the other day. I think she's wonderful. She's fantastic. And years ago she was me voice in the wilderness. I think the first time I've interviewed her, a bit of been probably going to vote when I had my baby. So I was 24 years ago. Wow. Yeah. She was why you added the, she really was because people would go to beauty school can debate. I have silly have another Pringle is true. Yeah. We be doing a special kind of kids kind of healthy podcast at some point, but if you were to lead a a week kind of baby led weaning, whatever it is a whole week on, but I'd love to see them because like you said, it's one of those that there's so much confusion out there. What you feed your kids, what do you do this and we're the only creatures on earth that have this problem. You don't see a Koala bear going, well what am I going to give the little fella? It doesn't work with the, we apparently the most educated but the thickest on the planet because you would think intuitively, you know. In fact, actually when Kate said to me or we can do a baby weaning app or something like that, I went, why do people not have to feed their kids seriously? Like I can't get my head round now through surely people know I need it. It's that thing of we get more information there than ever we had in the history of the world and people are just overloaded and they just weren't the basic facts I think just think people. Yeah, I think people are confused. They are confused and yeah, and that's what's nice about the wild. They don't have intellect and they don't have social media. They don't really know, so therefore they can't be confused. They're not what they're doing. Actually on social media on the final points would come through as well. You are, you're on boats out, you're on Instagram and I'm on Instagram. I do have Twitter identity, especially as much as they used to do. Find. There's too, there's a divide in my theory is this, there's a dividing line between the two. They much, Twitter is angry. Absolutely. And Instagram's lovely. Most of the time I just put pictures of my dog on it and what outfit I'm waiting in the morning and it's absolutely delightful. We'd is Twitter Hadid just toxic. This like lifting up a store and then you see all these terrible things. I mean, some of the things that piers Morgan people see to home, I would be [inaudible] in and all he does is he corrects this failing. They can't see the things. No, no, no. Of course we just manned up than he joking. Controversial. He just, he just connects their spelling and says, well, what? That's fine. You know, because Instagram is a relative nice place to be. But also it's one of these strange places because up until Instagram or social media, um, used to just sit and have dinner. I'd never knew anybody. Got a Kodak instant camera out and thought, I'll take a picture of my head, Ricardo Salad, pictures of food. When did this honestly with a foreign above your head posting into the phone and then they spend hours changing it and fat faffing around with it. And we will look back at this stage in human development and we go, how do we put a moon come full circle man on the moon in [inaudible] 69 and hearing on the 21st century where literally going, I wonder how many likes I've got from my picture of an avocado. Indeed we have. We'll just got mad though. They wouldn't really has, but I, my theory is also those is that very few people have cause the most photographed image on Instagram is it is an avocado. It's extraordinary, isn't it? And that's because my theory is that people want to say, hey look, I'm having an avocado today. I know for a fact there are people taking pictures of Salads. Haven't Burger and fries in a picture is the version of ourselves and the only detrimental parts to insecurity. That is unfortunate because I genuinely know it. I don't believe it. I don't get Fomo. I don't get the fear of missing out. I don't get anything. I know for most people it's the Instagram version of their life, which indeed is all a photograph is where people say the camera never lies. He lies all the time because you can be in a horrible place to go. Right? Everybody smile. Well you weren't smiling a minute ago, so you're lying. Now I'm over it. So the camera lies. So therefore by definition things like things like, oh, it's the Lorraine hot phone. It's so quick. We can. We like that might be George Clooney. George Clooney. George again. Come on. Pick it up. Is it George? Don't want, is it George? It's an alarm. Could've pretended to master it. You could've just, you can. Of course you're going to spinning in a minute. I bet it's still key. Listen, did you melt when you interviewed George? Of course. I was going to say who was your best bond, but that's a silly question. Roger Moore was the best one we want know Jim was the best bond. Roger Moore. It's meant to be tongue in cheek and he was like an Alan Partridge character. Sean Connery was not the best bond Raji members. I delete. You think Brooke Bond was the bank got be Sean Connery? I mean if somebody sends me, who would you rather go out of an evening with him and maybe lead to something else? Would it be showing and me with nick time we pick you up something else for this, by the way, as you and your husband ever list you do, it's always going to be mister spoke, spoke. He's on your list. Is your number one or your laminated latest Mr Spock. Yeah, exactly. She can grab onto his ears. Where's this deeply attractive and underneath that logical exterior there is molten lava. You're going on youtube. NASA, some water long. You're doing something. I'm going to be an astronaut. You're going to be an astronaut. Oh No, that's a lie. I'm going to train as an adjunct into astronaut training. So that shit out asked to know, be involved in a hideous accident and they've got like, you know, they go down the list. It's like designated survivor. I'll be designated astronauts. So you've interviewed Tim peaks, right? Oh, he here? Yeah, I was on the table once with him at the pride of Britain awards. Wow. Timber. And I didn't know how to speak to them. I'll be honest with you. And you're like, what'd you do for like, no, I'm from Peckham was what do you do? I'm a plumber. Might. Yeah. Boy. All right. So I had no idea that anyone, I'm an astronaut. I thought I have no idea what to do with that. I sold was I thought normally I can have a conversation with anybody. I don't know what to say to you. You are and astronauts. I mean, and also the thing is if you get to the moon did, but did you, did you find when you interview Buzz Aldrin, by the way, Lauren Kelly into Brazil, man that walked on the moon. Not the first one, but the second one. Um, I heard they got quite depressed when they came back. Yeah, there's a lot of problems. A I put on the bus that a lot of pills with be booze and stuff. But you overcame it. He did Julie. But isn't it hard on me? Listen, if you, most people, well not only that is it, I think it's like we all are growing constantly. Everyday. We all look to push and grow. That's just a human trait. That's what he wants to do. But my theory is this view reached a pinnacle of anything you can do. Your, you have now stood on the moon, you come down, there's nothing else there, isn't it? Your rates. Well now Mars on the horizon now, but, but that's, that's, I was gonna say that smiles off. I don't know if I'll ever, I would love to think of up in the ad. Do a what about you? How long is the Gilligan for? Oh, Jason, at a, you collect this week as we're speaking about this now as we're talking right now. Okay. You've got to bear in mind Christine bleakly he's trying to steal your joy of Christine doing this. You'll be twice cause she's so bad. She makes you look good. Toki Christine. I was joking, I was joking. But she, she loves coming in and doing that a week. Keven dear. She doesn't want to do that. All the tension doesn't sit. She re and she's brilliant and she's up. She is everything you see, I met her once. She really is beautiful. She actually is again, there's no pretense there. I'll just keep doing it as long as people want to bore it. Cause it wasn't always called Lorraine of Oh, it's called lots or things. Have you had many different changes over the years? But it's now found his wonderful form. [inaudible] bitter, bitter than we've done for a year since about 2012 and it's, it's remarkable. Obviously, I think GMB is helping us because piers is kind of reinvent and love him or hate him. You watch him. I love, I do. I think get you watching the ways. Is that what I love about peers? As you can see anything you like to him? Yes. You can be as rude, funny. I mean, hopefully I'm bridging funding, not just rude, but it can be really funny in bridge with them and he doesn't mind you around the beer. He's got the courage of his convictions, so they will listen. I know you've got a spinning class to get to. I know. And so therefore we will wrap up.
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